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hello and welcome to paranormal

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mysteries here on access Northwest

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community radio here in lovely Liverpool

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tonight I've got very very interesting

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guests on match the 25 1967 Captain

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Robert Salas was on duty

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60 feet on the ground at the ICB launch

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control facility and maelstrom Air Force

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Base when the missile started to go

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offline Bob has been a member of the

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experience and UFO communities with his

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wife Marilyn for many years in 1985 he

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had an experience that I'm hoping that

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we might be able to talk about but Bob

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having been captain and the man with his

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finger on the button so to speak he's

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not prone to flights of fancy and so I

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consider him to be a very important

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experience ER and witness so welcome to

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the show Bob it's been a little while

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since we had the conversation volume up

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not really should I call your Skype then

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check all your Skype yeah job it's a

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calling you back on skype then oh we

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is there any better I don't know can you

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okay oh if I will be able to hear myself

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talking can you hear me okay I can hear

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we're good we're good hello welcome to

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paranormal mysteries here on access

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Northwest community radio here in lovely

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Liverpool tonight my guest is a special

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friend I've known him quite a while now

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I met him in 2010 personally when we

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were speaking at the conference in

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Suffolk in 2012 so his story is that on

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the March 25 1967 Captain Robert Salas

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was on duty 60 feet underground at the

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ICB launch control facility on monstrum

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s US Air Force Base when the missile

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started to go offline bob has been a

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member of the experience in UFO

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communities with his mouth with his wife

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Marilyn for many years and has had some

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unusual experiences himself which I'm

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hoping that we maybe we'll talk about

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later with Bob having been the man with

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the finger on the button so to speak

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he's definitely not prone to flights of

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fancy and so I consider him to be one

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very important experience and witness hi

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Bob

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welcome to the show thank you really

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pleasure to be with you and to speak

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with you again a long time maybe about

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four years ago yeah

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a long time since we've had a

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conversation a lot has happened since

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then kids I think a lot of what we were

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talking about there's still things that

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are still going on now a different

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situation with the you know armed with

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nuclear weapons country situation we

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talked about that before haven't worried

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about you know nuclear disarmament and

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how dangerous things are but you

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actually had a really incredible event

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in 1967 and the chronology of events of

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that actually coming out is a really

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interesting story so I thought if we

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could go back to kind of the beginning

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of everything and go from there so you

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know what happened that night yes of

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I'll tell the story again supermind

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listen there's a local so they probably

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haven't heard before

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yeah I know no worries in 1967 I was in

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the US Air Force as a missile launch

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officer which means that my main duty

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was to go on alert status I mean about

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every three days and two of us would be

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a team and we'd go out to this what we

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called the launch control center and I

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was on this occasion at Oscar flight we

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had about C we had about 15 launch

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control centers around the mountain base

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controlled by the Malmstrom Air Force

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Base and that's in the center of Montana

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and so on this day my commander was Fred

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my Walt and myself and he was taking a

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rest break by the way it's capsule

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was underground about 60 feet it's a

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hardened site but we call a hardened

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site in that it was supposed to

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withstand an input a blast we had about

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six guards upstairs who were responsible

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for security the facility so my

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commander was taking a rest break I was

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in charge of the facility and I get a

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sometime in the evening hours I don't

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know exactly what time and he says the

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he didn't think they were airplanes

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because they were going so fast they

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were making maneuvers the airplane

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simply can't do in other words stopping

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in midair reversing course immediately

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and and making 90-degree turns there was

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no engine noise there were simply lights

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flying above the facility well I even

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said what do you mean like UFOs because

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we had had we had reports in the local

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area the newspaper reports in the Great

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for a few days a week to people mm you

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know ordinary people farmers and other

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people seeing lights in the sky and so

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they had recorded to the newspapers so

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we don't read about that but that's the

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kind of thing in kind of you know

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discounting said oh that's interesting

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one ball that's basically what I did I

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told well that's interesting but you

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know call me back when you say anything

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more and so I hung up on him and I went

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back to my book firstly while I was

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doing down there reading her

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studying and then he calls back about

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five minutes later this time he's

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screaming into the phone he's frightened

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and I can tell by his voice that he's

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very frightened knowing that he's got

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all his guards up and they're looking

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above the fence the gate front gate and

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they see this red orange pulsating light

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kind of shocked at this but he was so

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frightened he what he wanted me to tell

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him what to do next I was more less

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stunned I you know I thought of course

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and thought I couldn't either we were

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under some sort of attack by some

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somebody or something I told him simply

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protect the perimeter I don't let

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anything inside the fenced area and then

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he hung up said one of his cards got

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injured hung up the phone I went over to

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wake up my commander was taking a little

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rest and then all of a sudden we get

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bells and whistles going off inside the

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capsule you look over at our status

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board and all the missiles are going red

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instead of green green meaning of course

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if they're ready in the launch and red

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meaning they're unable to launch no-go

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so within the span of a few seconds all

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our missiles shut down now this is not

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supposed to happen those are independent

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in other words we had cabling systems

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and control systems that we're going to

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each missile independently they're not

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you know one shutdown does mean what

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effect in the others in the three years

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I was there that never

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so we were shocked we reported that we

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also had some to the sites had

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encouraging lights which means the

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possibility of something or someone in

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intruding into two of the launch

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facilities that's where the missiles

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were actually located about a mile or so

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in a ring a general ring around this

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launch control center so while my

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commander called the command post to

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report this incident I called upstairs

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and ordered guards out to those two

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facilities and asked about the UFO and

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then I said it was gone and had gone

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away but when the guards got out there

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and then my commander turns to me and

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says you know the same thing happened at

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another flight I just heard from command

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post and that's all he said so I assumed

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it was that evening but when I was

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researching this later on it was eight

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days earlier than that was called Echo

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flight and the same thing had happened

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there about eight days earlier never

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reported to us the crews which we

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usually got very extensive reports the

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briefings every day every day we went

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out all hurt but in this case we had

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never heard of the echo flight incident

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until I researched and after that I'll

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tell you a little bit more about the

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echo flight

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basically the there were two maintenance

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teams out there

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in command was Walter Fiegel who by the

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way has come forward and he's publicly

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admitted the incident

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in addition to my commander Ford my Wang

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who is deceased now but I've got him on

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audio confirming it but I don't like

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they had main screws in stayed over

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tonight and and then early in the

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morning well March 16 1967 one of the

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missiles went down he called out there

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and complained because they weren't

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supposed to do anything until he gave me

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okay and they said we didn't do anything

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a UFO just above us and and then all

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kind of things missiles went down so

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within the span of eight days we

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launched 20 nuclear missiles - but these

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things are not of Defense significance

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apparently in 1969 as you know the

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course the US Air Force came out with a

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statement saying you know after review

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and the scientific so-called scientific

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study called the Condon investigation

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they determined they determined that no

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UFO incident has affected national

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security well that's just a lie and

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that's what I've been talking about from

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these twenty years or so there there is

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an ongoing cover-up and it's it's not

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just in the US but I think it's

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worldwide you know I know the the mo D

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in your country has claimed released

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they may had not released although I

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mean it's quite interesting what's

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happening at the moment with the after

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you know the unidentified series the

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revelations of the nimitz UFOs unmoor a

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more recently as well in 2015 with the

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girl fast and the flare one and Gimbel

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is the other one i think there's radar

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that's a step forward really the fact

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that the Navy released those videos now

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since then we've heard very little from

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the US Navy the why we have in the

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public supposedly they have given

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briefings to some congressmen some

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senators in government secretly things

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of course but here again the question is

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how much do they do they really feel

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about what they think they have admitted

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that they issued new instructions to

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pilots on how to report these what they

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call unidentified aerial phenomenon new

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AP so that's that's a positive step I

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see it but it's a very small step well

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we'll see how far it goes what we have

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seen their reports from one or two

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congressmen or senators saying they want

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so I well we could start off from the

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show here with an announcement I will

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running for Congress to try to win a

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seat in government yeah that's a good

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that's a good thing yeah yeah because I

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certainly want to bring this subject

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front center yeah by being a part of the

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government so that's my objective I

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don't know if I'll succeed but I'm gonna

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give it a try and what might want

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motivated you to take a step in that

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well frustration for one thing 25 years

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will motivate you know but so that's

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and I see also the there's so much

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critical things I think facing us in the

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world today global warming the

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integration problems so they have a

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world world class right now that's going

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to get worse because of droughts and

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food shortages

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you name it so there's a lot of things

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facing us as civilization that need

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attention immediate attention we're not

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we're not getting much satisfaction from

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our governments and the government's

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seem to be and I'm talking about buying

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of course seem to be getting a more more

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secretive holding back and not being

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empathetic to the these worldwide

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problems so that is also more than

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anything and of course the UFO

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phenomenon itself is attached or

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associated with some of those issues

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like nuclear weapons for example that

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you mentioned that's a serious serious

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situation that we were facing today and

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extreme secrecy in government

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the other major issue I'm inspired by

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fighting for so yeah well you know we

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keep having these congressional type

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hearings don't win I think to have

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somebody who's actually I mean affected

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by the issue you know it's important

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it's it's like having there's you know a

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social worker who's had problems in

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childhood you know I mean they've been

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there they know what it's like therefore

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make the most impact so but I mean when

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you first started talking about this it

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was kind of by accident wasn't it

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because you were you'd read something in

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a book it was it Tim goods above top

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secret yes that's right

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I had died spoken about my incident and

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then in 1994 of course we were ordered

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not only ordered but we had to sign

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non-disclosure documents stating we

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would never speak about this incident my

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commander and I so we did I never told

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my wife I never told anybody really and

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and then in 1994 I'd worked for the

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government as aircraft certification

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engineer and aircraft structures and I

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was getting a little tired of that and

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so I wanted to retire I was eligible to

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retire and get into something else and I

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was had to become a teacher of

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mathematics and so I was at the

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University of Washington bookstore

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you're strolling through the bookstore

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and had this title caught my eye a bug

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top-secret by Timothy good so I picked

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up the book and this is true I know

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you'll be shocked but I opened up the

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book to page 301 and they're on page 301

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with a short paragraph stating that

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newer phones have been involved in the

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shutdown on a nuclear missile site in

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Montana in 1967 it was just very short

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very brief but it was enough to get me

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excited about the possibility that the

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Air Force had Declassified this incident

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and I thought it was my incident the way

340
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it was described so I contacted the

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mutual UFO network in the area and

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finally talked to an investigator by the

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name James quats and asked him if he

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could file a Freedom of Information Act

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request and so requested the government

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for information and but don't say

347
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anything about UFOs just ask about this

348
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particular incident and sure enough the

349
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Air Force looked back and said you know

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this is classified but since it's been

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so long go ahead declassify it and send

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me documents so they did they started

353
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sending me some messages documents

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records of the when I call the echo

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flight incident that's the one that

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happened in March 16th of 1967 so at

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that point I considered the my incident

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had been Declassified and therefore I

359
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started speaking publicly to the press

360
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and media about it as being a UFO

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incident

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which it was but it wasn't until two

363
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years later that I found out from my

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commander when I finally got a hold of

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him that we had that Benedetto fight we

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had been an oscar client you have to

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understand all these facilities look

368
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pretty much the same and it had been so

369
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long

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27 years had passed and so I had very

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tainted memories and part of that time I

372
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had contact other people and who I knew

373
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and recovered memories that went along

374
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because of course I had tried that non

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disclosure statement so I had

376
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deliberately tried to forget it so

377
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that's the story on why I was able to

378
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finally go forward and but at that time

379
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and after I find out we were at Oscar I

380
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decided just to keep talking so but

381
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yeah it's quite interesting that you

382
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opened the page just right where you did

383
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as well so when it was happening you

384
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know it's it must have been quite a

385
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fraught situation because you've got

386
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somebody screaming down the phone and

387
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somebody's injured you don't know did

388
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you know what kind of injury it was or

389
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you know did it just seemed like you

390
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were under attack well yeah we were I'd

391
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say concerned very concerned about what

392
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was going on because it seemed like we

393
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were under attack and we couldn't

394
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understand it I mean we're weak field

395
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Montana

396
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the US and we're there's nothing about

397
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any enemy forces approaching yeah so it

398
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was a shock the guy who got injured

399
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later found out from talking to guard

400
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upstairs after we were there was a

401
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changeover first now we went upstairs

402
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and I talked to the guard and he said

403
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that one of the guards had cut his hand

404
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on the barbed wire fence that we had

405
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surrounding the facility I know how that

406
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happened he didn't go into details but

407
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that was that was it it wasn't that the

408
00:27:00,820 --> 00:26:58,100
UFO had taken a shot at him or done

409
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anything to him but he was I think

410
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pretty frightened and he tried to climb

411
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that fence

412
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yeah yeah it was frightening I mean

413
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they're like see described them as

414
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zipping around and turning on a dime

415
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really weren't they 90-degree angles

416
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changes of direction did if you you must

417
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:22,760
have talked to Colonel Charles halt

418
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about what what was saying this is some

419
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comparison in what we're saying do you

420
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think

421
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yeah we've been in contact over the

422
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years with Colonel halt and at first he

423
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was reluctant to admit they were nuclear

424
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weapons at Woodbridge but eventually he

425
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he has admitted I think publicly now

426
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that we did indeed have nuclear weapons

427
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there at the time 1980 and I understand

428
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it was a tower nearby were one of the

429
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:18,350
guards at Woodridge did see the UFO fly

430
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:21,070
by and shine a beam of light on the

431
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storage facility

432
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when the weapons were kept so yeah very

433
00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:29,450
similar to other incidents Aviano Air

434
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Force Base in Italy 1979 same kind of

435
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:38,240
thing happened UFO comes over the

436
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weapons storage facility shines of being

437
00:28:50,169 --> 00:28:47,330
white and simply flies off and again in

438
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my book unidentified the UFO phenomenon

439
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:54,490
I list about fourteen other cases were

440
00:29:04,510 --> 00:28:58,250
UFOs were seen in and around nuclear

441
00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:04,520
facilities and but you know and and and

442
00:29:12,299 --> 00:29:06,920
showing themselves in one way or another

443
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:12,309
but in a benign manner in other words

444
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,370
doing no damage but making sure

445
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:18,080
everybody's aware that they were there

446
00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:23,570
so again no say so none of the ordinance

447
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:26,420
was actually affected in any way apart

448
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:28,850
from in your incident and the occur

449
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:31,190
flight whether you got to figure out to

450
00:29:37,299 --> 00:29:33,940
get back online

451
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:37,309
how did it take before you got them back

452
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:56,440
running an even scarier thought to think

453
00:30:02,770 --> 00:30:00,140
that there's something that's zipping

454
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about that can actually interfere in

455
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:06,880
that way and also makes me wonder why

456
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:10,570
they don't interfere in that way when

457
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there's so much whoa I'm the planet I

458
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mean I know it's fairly quiet at the

459
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:20,000
moment but you know there's been a lot

460
00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:22,610
of bloodshed and a lot of weapons fired

461
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and I hear people saying that they you

462
00:30:28,540 --> 00:30:26,870
know these ETS opposed that they're

463
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gonna save us from ourselves at some

464
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point but I'm not quite sure what the

465
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thing the way in far

466
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I don't sure how bad it has to get and

467
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how scarier in dangerous

468
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it has to be before they do anything I

469
00:30:48,130 --> 00:30:45,920
think exactly so that's what keeps me

470
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motivated I just want to keep talking

471
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about this every chance I get

472
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really you can't emphasize the threat of

473
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nuclear war enough a lot of people just

474
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kind of put that on the back burner

475
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because it's it's too difficult to think

476
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about isn't it you can't really imagine

477
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it the destruction that would occur from

478
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in the war but we're getting closer and

479
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closer to that horrible possibility it

480
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seems we've got India and Pakistan at

481
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war with each other they both have

482
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nuclear weapons and very recently the

483
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Defense Minister of India we get his

484
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:40,460
name came out and basically threatened

485
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Pakistan was the use of nuclear weapons

486
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he stated that in the past they had had

487
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no first strike policy meaning they

488
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would shoot first with nukes but he said

489
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that's now changed to a policy of we'll

490
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:02,750
see something like that so then they've

491
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gotten rid of the no first strike policy

492
00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:09,440
Pakistan does not have a no first strike

493
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:13,460
policy neither does the US and neither

494
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:17,240
does Soviet Union and certainly not

495
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North Korea and North Korea is a growing

496
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threat of using nukes and they're

497
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threatening South Korea this with

498
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:34,820
threatening Japan and now Japan indeed

499
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:38,830
is thinking about maybe

500
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reinvigorating the military structure

501
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:46,090
you know they have been only a

502
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:48,050
peacekeeping organization they're

503
00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:50,770
military but but

504
00:33:01,620 --> 00:32:54,340
now that seems to be changing and of

505
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:01,630
course Iran Iran now has been well you

506
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:03,070
know what's happened there they've

507
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:11,460
started up their sights when they come

508
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:16,000
their ability to enrich uranium they've

509
00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:19,420
increased that activity so now they're

510
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:23,860
going to have weapons-grade uranium as

511
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:28,120
opposed to Iranian that's used for power

512
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plants so they're in Russia of course

513
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Russia is developing new nuclear weapons

514
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and probably the u.s. under trump so I

515
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:45,660
think they're getting worse considerably

516
00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:50,140
yeah I mean the threat does not seem to

517
00:34:03,290 --> 00:33:55,030
be a deterrent anyway you know we have

518
00:34:13,530 --> 00:34:08,369
deterrence is intended to keep other

519
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:13,540
countries at bay from attacking us if we

520
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:16,210
have a superior nuclear force but well

521
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:18,970
that only leads to you so what it led to

522
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:21,820
during the Cold War it is led to an arms

523
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:33,590
I'm thinking about 70,000 nuclear

524
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:37,419
weapons and that was basically between

525
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:43,720
the US and Russia yeah 70 think about

526
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:49,600
that the bombs that attacked we used to

527
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,290
attack Hiroshima and Nagasaki that

528
00:34:58,930 --> 00:34:55,440
killed a hundred thousand people

529
00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:58,940
initially were about 15 kilotons

530
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:00,150
[Music]

531
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equivalent 15 kilotons of tnt

532
00:35:12,089 --> 00:35:08,289
well now the bombs that I had on my

533
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:12,099
missiles I know or on the order of 800

534
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:16,480
kilotons well move it up to a Megaton

535
00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:21,970
and today we have two Megaton bombs the

536
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:27,309
US has about 7,000 operational they're

537
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:36,520
about 15,000 operational worldwide bombs

538
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:40,150
that would absolutely obliterate major

539
00:36:00,839 --> 00:35:50,650
cities world so it's high stupidity this

540
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:00,849
whole idea of having a good force so

541
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:04,510
large just just try to keep other people

542
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:07,930
from attacking us with nuclear weapons

543
00:36:13,049 --> 00:36:09,849
well it's accomplished that but it

544
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:13,059
hasn't accomplished other countries from

545
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:15,130
wanting them so eventually there's going

546
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,359
to be a tipping point I think and and

547
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:22,000
somewhere somehow they're going to be

548
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:25,529
used again if we don't make a change

549
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,119
well we've seen in Iraq the devastation

550
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:33,910
of the weapons they were using then

551
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:35,950
apart from the white phosphorus they

552
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:40,630
were using uranium depleted uranium by

553
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:43,569
the looks of it they you know the

554
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:46,180
childhood illnesses and deformities and

555
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:47,470
all the rest of it that are coming out

556
00:36:54,539 --> 00:36:50,650
now so it's kind of it's just one step

557
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:54,549
away from a nuclear war if you're you

558
00:37:00,569 --> 00:36:57,910
know my mind when you kind of spreading

559
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:00,579
the dirt about anyway without the the

560
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:04,980
major explosion so we don't you know

561
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:07,210
there are no morals in there near this

562
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:09,360
is a

563
00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:14,040
oh yes I'm fine you mentioned that we

564
00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:19,400
need to establish levels of behavior

565
00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:24,620
what you mentioned using bullets that

566
00:37:35,330 --> 00:37:28,860
using depleted uranium is clearly an

567
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:35,340
immoral thing to do one of many immoral

568
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:39,930
things we're doing we're just plain

569
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:43,320
immoral yeah yeah present company

570
00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:48,030
excepted of course it's quite a

571
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:49,590
responsibility that you've got there

572
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:54,210
though Bob you know that's did you know

573
00:38:00,320 --> 00:37:57,060
it's gonna be a high-pressure job I mean

574
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:00,330
but at the same time a no-pressure job

575
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,570
because you kind of just on duty waiting

576
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:05,400
for that moment really aren't ya there's

577
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:10,890
a lot of I don't know it's like a

578
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:13,890
nucleobase security he can be quite

579
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:15,690
tedious because you're just doubting

580
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:18,900
things you know wow you're not you know

581
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:25,110
in conflict so sometimes yeah in the

582
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:28,220
military just following orders of course

583
00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:32,700
you know in 1967 I was considered myself

584
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:38,100
a professional military guy and was

585
00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:42,210
gonna make military my career but so you

586
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:56,270
what our government is doing intending

587
00:39:03,710 --> 00:38:59,490
to do and you think it's proper at the

588
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:03,720
time so yeah what I could have would

589
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:06,630
have launched those missiles and started

590
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:09,300
World War 3 and given the other no

591
00:39:17,050 --> 00:39:11,610
question and the same thing with the

592
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:17,060
people that are in those positions today

593
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,020
I feel about like having been that

594
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:27,440
person haven't been the person who would

595
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:30,150
you know change the face of the world

596
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,290
basically I feel you know I thank God

597
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:39,660
that I was not put in the position of

598
00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:45,030
having to launch those and I'm trying to

599
00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:49,550
atone for it by moving forward and

600
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:52,830
publicly pronouncing and we ought to

601
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,560
abolish nuclear weapons worldwide I

602
00:40:00,560 --> 00:39:58,260
still feel that way of course and and

603
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:00,570
that's the message I would bring to to

604
00:40:17,060 --> 00:40:12,359
the US Congress absolutely should you

605
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:17,070
can't call that weaponry and I I think

606
00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:19,410
no sense of warfare if there is such a

607
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:21,500
thing

608
00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:25,950
that's just plain suicide for the human

609
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:27,869
civilization that's that's all it is

610
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,460
it's we would be committing suicide it

611
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:34,500
seems like we are sometimes anyway the

612
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:35,730
way that we treat the plumbing you'd

613
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:37,170
think that we've got another one to move

614
00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:40,520
to and when they all goes wrong you know

615
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:45,619
this we're in a crisis at the moment and

616
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:47,609
we're kind of looking at the wrong

617
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:49,710
things in the wrong way I think we need

618
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,240
to really start knocking down and making

619
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:57,359
the changes but we know we're dependent

620
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:01,140
on government and corporations to be the

621
00:41:10,070 --> 00:41:07,800
ones that make the changes how do you do

622
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:10,080
that how do you make these corporations

623
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,410
that's a giant the beyond themselves

624
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:14,880
start to look after the only home that

625
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:22,170
we have encouraged by things happening

626
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:25,020
when people power is used like what's

627
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:29,270
going on in Hong Kong right now the

628
00:41:34,030 --> 00:41:32,670
determination of those people living

629
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:34,040
there

630
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:39,440
I'm saying you know we want to be free

631
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:42,830
of these ridiculous regulates

632
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:45,320
regulations we want to take control of

633
00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:48,920
our own destiny we want to those kinds

634
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:54,500
of ideas need to take hold and so you

635
00:42:02,340 --> 00:41:56,990
know each of us has to fight for what we

636
00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:02,350
believe in as best we can and like I say

637
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:06,140
I think ethics and morality really are a

638
00:42:15,130 --> 00:42:13,040
part of the solution we have to value no

639
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:15,140
no and we can start with ourselves of

640
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:19,550
course you know our own integrity a set

641
00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:23,830
of values that we hold dear and and then

642
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:26,870
spread that you know now I'm not talking

643
00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:28,250
about religion of course I'm just

644
00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:31,640
talking about ethical things like

645
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:37,220
honesty and integrity and truth fight

646
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:52,430
for the truth she joined the UFO

647
00:42:58,270 --> 00:42:56,690
community and you've been with Marilyn a

648
00:43:04,030 --> 00:42:58,280
very long time haven't you

649
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:04,040
is it 49 50 years no see

650
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:14,090
I started speaking publicly in 1996 no

651
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:16,310
oh it's just saying when you came to the

652
00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:18,680
UFO community and you came with your

653
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:25,580
account of what happened and then you

654
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:29,200
had an experience in the mid-eighties

655
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:32,810
yes of course yeah I can speak about

656
00:43:44,059 --> 00:43:40,250
that because it's in my wings board and

657
00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:52,949
2013 conference here in the u.s. well

658
00:44:02,549 --> 00:43:58,359
here's my story in 1985 Maryland I I had

659
00:44:05,819 --> 00:44:02,559
two small children living with us in and

660
00:44:11,399 --> 00:44:05,829
at Beach California at a particular home

661
00:44:13,499 --> 00:44:11,409
the winner number because well I

662
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:13,509
remember the location of the home and

663
00:44:25,709 --> 00:44:19,569
what it looked like and so I can nail

664
00:44:30,529 --> 00:44:25,719
down the date sometime in 1985 so in the

665
00:44:33,299 --> 00:44:30,539
middle of the night I wake up and notice

666
00:44:39,709 --> 00:44:33,309
there's a strange blue light in our

667
00:44:43,469 --> 00:44:39,719
living room and I wake Marilyn up and

668
00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:43,479
ask her if she sees the blue light and

669
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:48,819
she says yes and so so I'm gonna get up

670
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:51,249
and investigate there might be somebody

671
00:44:58,949 --> 00:44:53,649
in the house and of course we had two

672
00:45:01,499 --> 00:44:58,959
small kids in other bedrooms so I try to

673
00:45:08,129 --> 00:45:01,509
get up and all of a sudden I'm paralyzed

674
00:45:11,509 --> 00:45:08,139
I can't move and I remember this was not

675
00:45:15,779 --> 00:45:11,519
a dream because I remember struggling

676
00:45:19,289 --> 00:45:15,789
struggling with all the strength I had

677
00:45:23,219 --> 00:45:19,299
to try to get my mobility back I even

678
00:45:30,929 --> 00:45:23,229
turned my head over to Maryland but she

679
00:45:33,749 --> 00:45:30,939
was now unconscious asleep which is you

680
00:45:36,689 --> 00:45:33,759
know doesn't make any sense

681
00:45:41,549 --> 00:45:36,699
because we had just talked about my

682
00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:41,559
getting up and were both nervous about

683
00:45:45,749 --> 00:45:42,369
that right

684
00:45:50,249 --> 00:45:45,759
so I struggled and struggled could not

685
00:45:53,590 --> 00:45:50,259
do anything we couldn't move and the

686
00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:53,600
next thing I recall was seeing us

687
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:57,560
person or being in in the doorway and it

688
00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:58,490
was dark

689
00:46:03,490 --> 00:46:00,710
of course so I could not make out the

690
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:03,500
face so I could make out was it was a

691
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:09,010
hooded figure and at the same time I

692
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:12,250
thought there were others in the room

693
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:17,840
small being small childlike beings and

694
00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:19,180
[Music]

695
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:21,340
they seemed to me

696
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,170
childlike now I can't describe what they

697
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:27,520
look like exactly because well I just

698
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:30,410
don't recall exactly what they look like

699
00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:33,170
but I do remember I'm sensing that they

700
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:36,980
were childlike yeah well these childlike

701
00:46:46,090 --> 00:46:40,870
beings somehow lifted me off to the bed

702
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,100
and took me towards the window now this

703
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:49,520
is the funny part I was thinking to

704
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:51,830
myself while this was going on that

705
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:54,650
these children don't know how to open

706
00:46:59,700 --> 00:46:57,320
the window because I had latched that

707
00:47:04,590 --> 00:46:59,710
window I remember watching the window

708
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:04,600
the night before so like that at night

709
00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:10,400
so they probably got a kick out of that

710
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:15,320
too because they took me right through

711
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:18,670
the window I know this sounds ridiculous

712
00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:22,430
but that means what I recall happening I

713
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:24,950
went right through the window they did

714
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:36,360
next thing I know I I guess had bed like

715
00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:44,950
emergency room bed steel steel bed and a

716
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:50,120
be shown on needle a long needle at

717
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,970
least a foot long and they're

718
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:57,920
deliberately shocking this needle like

719
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:00,710
that placing event for my eyes this one

720
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:03,800
being and he's holding it with long bony

721
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:05,960
fingers I remember the long bony fingers

722
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:08,310
more than me

723
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:14,830
nice because it was startling and I was

724
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:17,650
told telepathically that they were going

725
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:20,350
to suit this into my groin area

726
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:24,490
it wouldn't hurt so actually that

727
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:26,770
happened to insert this needle into my

728
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:30,220
groin area and it looked like hell and

729
00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:36,130
when I when I complained about that pain

730
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:40,900
seemed to go away so almost immediately

731
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:46,990
so that was basically it I think I was

732
00:48:55,860 --> 00:48:51,970
taken to another little cubicle shorts

733
00:48:59,810 --> 00:48:55,870
and another being

734
00:49:02,370 --> 00:48:59,820
I guess he's with greys

735
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:02,380
turned me around and then poked his

736
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:05,650
fingers down my spine why he did that

737
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:11,290
I'm not sure but after that I was taking

738
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:15,880
taken escorted basically to these graves

739
00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:18,250
on either side of me and we were

740
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:21,270
floating by the way we weren't walking

741
00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:29,710
we were floating along a pathway and all

742
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:31,660
of a sudden there a bright light and I'm

743
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:36,250
back in my bed the next morning neither

744
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:40,180
Marilyn or I remembered any of this was

745
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:42,310
a complete blank to us we didn't speak

746
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:43,380
about it

747
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:53,160
nothing and then 2007 so this was 1985

748
00:50:04,160 --> 00:49:57,220
so 22 years later 2007 we were at a

749
00:50:06,810 --> 00:50:04,170
conference and are you still there yeah

750
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:06,820
I'm just behaving myself can only a

751
00:50:16,019 --> 00:50:13,920
so we're this conference in Ireland and

752
00:50:18,359 --> 00:50:16,029
there was a speaker stating that she had

753
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:18,369
seen a blue light the room before she

754
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:23,500
was abducted and that turned on a light

755
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:26,529
in my head that blue light and I turned

756
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:28,329
the Maryland who's sitting next to me

757
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:30,130
and said have you ever seen a blue light

758
00:50:42,299 --> 00:50:38,140
a room she said yes remember that and so

759
00:50:48,839 --> 00:50:42,309
at that point I decided to get to talk

760
00:50:54,839 --> 00:50:48,849
to take no therapist trying to think of

761
00:51:03,509 --> 00:50:59,370
Mary Mary Rodwell was there so I asked

762
00:51:05,609 --> 00:51:03,519
Mary if she would do a session with me

763
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:05,619
and she did and that's how I started

764
00:51:14,910 --> 00:51:09,609
getting some of these memories back and

765
00:51:15,749 --> 00:51:14,920
and then I had three other sessions Avon

766
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:15,759
Smith

767
00:51:29,069 --> 00:51:25,119
couple and then one was David David we

768
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,079
got he worked with Budd Hopkins but

769
00:51:33,450 --> 00:51:31,599
anyway I had that for hypnotherapy

770
00:51:37,049 --> 00:51:33,460
sessions and that's how I was able to

771
00:51:40,529 --> 00:51:37,059
recover what I just told you that's

772
00:51:42,809 --> 00:51:40,539
interesting because I've never had any

773
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,819
regression and I don't really know how I

774
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:44,640
feel about

775
00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:49,630
gnosis and regression I've you know I've

776
00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:53,380
never been fully convinced of its it

777
00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:57,700
being a good tool I don't know I think

778
00:52:01,349 --> 00:52:00,190
he's probably because I don't know how

779
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:01,359
the brain works

780
00:52:07,259 --> 00:52:04,180
and I don't understand the process and I

781
00:52:09,779 --> 00:52:07,269
don't trust the you know what we would

782
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:09,789
come out with would be an actual memory

783
00:52:16,089 --> 00:52:13,420
or something that our brain is just

784
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:16,099
conjuring up but

785
00:52:23,289 --> 00:52:20,650
like I told you a little while ago that

786
00:52:27,009 --> 00:52:23,299
recently had a little run of events

787
00:52:30,219 --> 00:52:27,019
where somebody asked if they could do an

788
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:30,229
investigation into the sighting that I

789
00:52:35,489 --> 00:52:32,660
had with my friends but obviously it

790
00:52:37,989 --> 00:52:35,499
would just be based on my testimony

791
00:52:41,499 --> 00:52:37,999
because they haven't spoken at all in

792
00:52:42,999 --> 00:52:41,509
public for since it happened and I kind

793
00:52:47,469 --> 00:52:43,009
of had to accept that there probably

794
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:47,479
never would and then a friend came to me

795
00:52:53,799 --> 00:52:50,180
in the same week and asked if anyone had

796
00:52:57,849 --> 00:52:53,809
done any of any out work of what we saw

797
00:53:01,599 --> 00:52:57,859
and I said well did a rough one for the

798
00:53:02,979 --> 00:53:01,609
2012 conference in Rendlesham but it was

799
00:53:05,769 --> 00:53:02,989
very rough and it didn't really look

800
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:05,779
like what it looked like it was just

801
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:12,199
basically for size and then about ten

802
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:15,170
days to two weeks later one of the other

803
00:53:20,499 --> 00:53:18,410
witnesses Steve who was my partner at

804
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:20,509
the time of it happened then he got back

805
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:23,359
in touch with me and he said he wanted

806
00:53:29,319 --> 00:53:26,569
to talk to me and he wanted to see me he

807
00:53:33,609 --> 00:53:29,329
wanted to go back there he wanted to you

808
00:53:38,259 --> 00:53:33,619
know explore what happened with me

809
00:53:40,749 --> 00:53:38,269
because we've all had you know we've all

810
00:53:42,699 --> 00:53:40,759
had to keep it to ourselves basically he

811
00:53:45,609 --> 00:53:42,709
said his sister done you to talk to but

812
00:53:48,749 --> 00:53:45,619
they don't really go there very often so

813
00:53:52,809 --> 00:53:48,759
you know for all of us it's a completely

814
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:52,819
it's just being packed away and and it's

815
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:55,400
just what it is because none of us were

816
00:54:01,719 --> 00:53:58,670
talking together so the whole story is

817
00:54:04,059 --> 00:54:01,729
still unknown even to me because I only

818
00:54:06,729 --> 00:54:04,069
remember what I remember but they all

819
00:54:10,209 --> 00:54:06,739
love their memories as well so with all

820
00:54:17,529 --> 00:54:10,219
of us together it would be a you know a

821
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:17,539
fuller encounter so I told him where I'm

822
00:54:22,089 --> 00:54:19,430
doing a little documentary investigation

823
00:54:24,249 --> 00:54:22,099
with Gary Jones he's his investigations

824
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:24,259
are very good he leaves no stone

825
00:54:30,010 --> 00:54:28,849
unturned so I said I'd agreed to do this

826
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:30,020
so woody

827
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:31,940
speak to Gary because Gary would like

828
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:35,180
that and he agreed yeah and then a week

829
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:37,730
later he told me that his sister dunya

830
00:54:44,530 --> 00:54:40,790
wants to be involved as well so we're

831
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:44,540
all going to be talking then as you know

832
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:46,520
last weekend I've been down to Suffolk

833
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:49,310
again and I've spoken at the Colonel

834
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:51,110
halt returns to Woodbridge Conference

835
00:55:01,480 --> 00:54:56,900
and the cameraman who filmed it all he

836
00:55:05,530 --> 00:55:01,490
only has a business in treating PTSD and

837
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:05,540
trauma of the traumas with hypnosis and

838
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:09,490
so he's offered to do this regression

839
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,500
which obviously I've got my concerns

840
00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:14,240
about but one of the things that Steve

841
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:18,310
said was that he would like to try that

842
00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:22,850
so I just thought well it's kind of

843
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:24,830
crazy it's like you opening that book on

844
00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:28,220
three page 301 and that chronology of

845
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:31,340
events happening it's a similar kind of

846
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:33,710
thing the way that it's all come up with

847
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:36,470
the investigation the artwork Steve

848
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,570
getting in touch done you coming into it

849
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:41,680
and there's some guy who does

850
00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:47,150
hypnotherapy popping up I'm tempted

851
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:48,680
because of the way that it's come about

852
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:52,280
and I thought well there is a little

853
00:55:58,420 --> 00:55:56,000
event that wasn't scary at all that I

854
00:56:00,130 --> 00:55:58,430
would like to try a test drive I'll go

855
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:00,140
back to that and they'll see cuz I read

856
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:02,450
something on the wall and I can't

857
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:03,890
remember what I read and I would really

858
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:06,140
like to be able to read that again I

859
00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:19,480
this fella David and I apologized so

860
00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:21,950
much I can't remember his last name at

861
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:26,560
this point the one I had the last

862
00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:31,280
session with he did not use hypnosis on

863
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:35,660
me he his approach again like I

864
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:37,300
mentioned we worked with Budd Hopkins

865
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:39,770
and I don't know what Hopkins approach

866
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:43,730
was but this guy

867
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:48,049
we just sat down and he relaxed me it

868
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:51,230
was just a matter of getting to the

869
00:57:01,720 --> 00:56:56,240
point where I was fairly relaxed no no

870
00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:01,730
alcohol involved but I was completely

871
00:57:06,579 --> 00:57:03,950
relaxed and then he kind of walked me

872
00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:06,589
through or what do you remember you know

873
00:57:15,329 --> 00:57:10,040
we start there and so I started with

874
00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:15,339
what I did remember at that point and

875
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:17,960
and then he kept asking me a series of

876
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:28,000
confidential setting and and that's how

877
00:57:32,589 --> 00:57:30,710
I was able to retrieve more memories

878
00:57:37,089 --> 00:57:32,599
those memories are still there such as

879
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:37,099
youth and they had just been subdued and

880
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:40,940
it's just a matter of tweaking your

881
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:43,690
brain a little but encouraging it to

882
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:48,319
release those memories so there are

883
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:52,010
different approaches if you're concerned

884
00:57:58,359 --> 00:57:56,569
about going under hypnosis well the one

885
00:58:00,579 --> 00:57:58,369
thing that does make me feel a little

886
00:58:03,849 --> 00:58:00,589
bit better with this particular person

887
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:03,859
is that his entire business is around

888
00:58:15,370 --> 00:58:07,220
treating PTSD so I'm not going to be

889
00:58:18,220 --> 00:58:15,380
redrawn attached by it because if I

890
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:18,230
remember anything else then I think he's

891
00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:20,089
probably got techniques to help me kind

892
00:58:35,289 --> 00:58:31,430
of cope with let's say dreams strange

893
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,299
dreams you know I mean I know it's

894
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:37,119
probably shirts

895
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:39,859
it's the coincidences that make me feel

896
00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:42,530
unreal so I try not I don't really keep

897
00:58:57,550 --> 00:58:44,750
a journal because I wouldn't feel real

898
00:58:59,320 --> 00:58:57,560
as well what I call a weird dream

899
00:59:03,910 --> 00:58:59,330
you know those kind of dreams this kind

900
00:59:06,670 --> 00:59:03,920
of you know they stick out and you

901
00:59:10,990 --> 00:59:06,680
remember the nice morning so I read him

902
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:11,000
down and so I I've got other thoughts

903
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:15,410
about what might have happened when I

904
00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:19,130
was abducted and and possibly probably

905
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:22,520
have had other abduction experiences and

906
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:26,420
I just you know don't remember but they

907
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:29,210
may come back in that kind of a dream

908
00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:32,720
state which those dreams happen when

909
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:36,380
your brain is very relaxed and in the

910
00:59:50,290 --> 00:59:45,290
sleep state by the way I think I could

911
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:50,300
encourage Maryland to come on and talk

912
01:00:03,190 --> 00:59:58,370
about a couple of her if you wish

913
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:03,200
absolutely well do you want to take a

914
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:07,310
little break at this point if I can talk

915
01:01:07,230 --> 01:00:17,690
her into it yes okay all right okay I'll

916
01:01:14,670 --> 01:01:11,070
I love Marilyn how are you today I'm

917
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:14,680
great oh it's lovely to talk to you you

918
01:01:19,470 --> 01:01:15,910
too you too

919
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:19,480
i I guess Bob kind of opened the door on

920
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:25,570
some of my experiences well he had you

921
01:01:29,099 --> 01:01:27,130
know he's the first one that you recall

922
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:29,109
with the blue light that you remembered

923
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:31,500
it's funny because I was thinking today

924
01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:35,410
I was thinking about doing the show with

925
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:37,960
the other halves of the witnesses

926
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:41,020
because quite often they have just as

927
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:44,230
much happening to them as they say like

928
01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:47,170
Bob or myself with my patent Dave you

929
01:01:48,990 --> 01:01:48,670
know but we never hear from the other

930
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:49,000
side

931
01:01:53,970 --> 01:01:52,150
so it's right interesting that Bob's

932
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:53,980
pops you arm because I was thinking that

933
01:02:04,349 --> 01:01:59,520
it would be a good idea anyway yeah my

934
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:04,359
have been quite a few not not just the

935
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:06,420
one with the blue light yeah actually

936
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:11,710
what I remember is a misty greyish blue

937
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:15,850
light that filled the hallway so and

938
01:02:19,470 --> 01:02:17,470
there may have been more than one

939
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:19,480
occasion but but that's the one in

940
01:02:23,070 --> 01:02:21,190
particular that I remember because we

941
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:23,080
had no lights that we kept on in the

942
01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:27,430
house and it was just a very weird

943
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:31,000
experience seeing that that light but

944
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:35,440
fast fast forward to when you know we

945
01:02:43,830 --> 01:02:39,310
moved to that was in Manhattan Beach we

946
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:43,840
now live in Ojai California and that is

947
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:47,430
when a lot of other paranormal

948
01:02:56,310 --> 01:02:51,970
experiences started to happen yeah so I

949
01:02:59,460 --> 01:02:56,320
think going back a number of years we've

950
01:03:03,180 --> 01:02:59,470
lived in this house about 20 it'll be 20

951
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:03,190
years this coming spring

952
01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:06,700
and one morning Bob had left for work

953
01:03:14,070 --> 01:03:10,780
and I was awake but still hadn't gotten

954
01:03:17,310 --> 01:03:14,080
out of bed and and all of a sudden I

955
01:03:18,510 --> 01:03:17,320
heard this tone and it went dah dah dah

956
01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:18,520
dah dah

957
01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:22,830
and I thought is that somebody cellphone

958
01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:25,660
and it's like we live in a single-family

959
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,540
home so that I just counted that quickly

960
01:03:33,090 --> 01:03:30,160
but I couldn't figure out where that

961
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:33,100
sound was coming from and then within a

962
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:36,010
minute it repeated itself the same tone

963
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,290
dah dah dah dah dah

964
01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:41,200
only this time instead of just hearing

965
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:45,040
it I felt the vibration of it in the

966
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:48,700
back of my head where the skull attaches

967
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:50,710
to the spine that's that area I think

968
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:54,010
it's called the medulla oblongata and it

969
01:03:59,640 --> 01:03:57,160
did it one more time and then I've never

970
01:04:03,690 --> 01:03:59,650
experienced it again so it was three

971
01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:03,700
times in a row and it was a very weird

972
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:06,460
experience to say the least and I always

973
01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:08,170
felt that there was some sort of a

974
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:11,950
possible implant that might have been

975
01:04:17,550 --> 01:04:14,470
placed you know in my head at that time

976
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:17,560
and then in later years like I come to

977
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:21,610
find out that not all implants are a

978
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:24,970
material form not you know metals or

979
01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:26,440
anything like that that they could be

980
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:30,190
energetic or they could be a soft tissue

981
01:04:34,530 --> 01:04:31,200
type thing

982
01:04:37,350 --> 01:04:34,540
so that because Bob and I both had

983
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:37,360
x-rays done of us to see if there were

984
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:39,910
any implants in our body and there was

985
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:42,730
nothing metallic that could be found so

986
01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:45,190
I I'm just left with the assumption that

987
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:47,800
it was either an energetic implant or

988
01:04:53,010 --> 01:04:49,570
something that could not be picked up

989
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:53,020
you know through an x-ray yes so that

990
01:04:56,610 --> 01:04:54,640
that was another experience another

991
01:05:01,050 --> 01:04:56,620
experience I had is you know I'm an

992
01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:01,060
energy healer and I used our guest room

993
01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:04,270
as healing rooms at least I have I just

994
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:07,660
healing worked for over 20 years but

995
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:10,530
what happened is I would have a certain

996
01:05:16,930 --> 01:05:14,950
I don't want to call it a format but you

997
01:05:19,390 --> 01:05:16,940
know every every healer has their own

998
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,400
way of preparing for and carrying out a

999
01:05:26,260 --> 01:05:22,640
healing session and part of mine because

1000
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:26,270
I worked with crystals and stones on on

1001
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:28,790
the massage table as well as I placed

1002
01:05:34,089 --> 01:05:31,250
them in little colored bags appropriate

1003
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:34,099
to the chakra system on top of the

1004
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:37,130
chakra areas of each person I would work

1005
01:05:42,579 --> 01:05:40,010
on so that those stones appropriate to

1006
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:42,589
those chakras would be helping with the

1007
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:46,310
healing process well I had a client that

1008
01:05:50,589 --> 01:05:48,980
I worked on and then about generally

1009
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:50,599
speaking I have to remove all those

1010
01:05:57,309 --> 01:05:54,050
stones both on top of the body and that

1011
01:06:00,550 --> 01:05:57,319
the ones that surround the body and

1012
01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:00,560
place them back on the bed in a basket

1013
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:03,470
you know when the session is over so

1014
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,230
about two days after that I come back

1015
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:09,200
into the room and there are all these

1016
01:06:15,849 --> 01:06:13,130
stones crystal stones it laid out in

1017
01:06:18,550 --> 01:06:15,859
formation on the massage table

1018
01:06:20,859 --> 01:06:18,560
basically a group of them up around the

1019
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:20,869
heart chakra and then the other ones

1020
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:23,630
further down around the hip area on the

1021
01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:27,410
right side so it's I called Bob and I

1022
01:06:32,349 --> 01:06:30,950
said have you been in here you've been

1023
01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:32,359
in this room mess around with my

1024
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:34,819
crystals don't know I haven't been in

1025
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:39,920
here he said and so that again I have no

1026
01:06:45,250 --> 01:06:43,310
idea how that happened all I know is

1027
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:45,260
that it was some sort of a message for

1028
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:47,510
me I am a heart patient and I think that

1029
01:06:53,410 --> 01:06:49,730
the message was basically you know to

1030
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:53,420
start taking better care of myself my

1031
01:07:01,089 --> 01:06:57,200
heart so very clearly placed around that

1032
01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:01,099
that upper left area by the heart and so

1033
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:05,540
that was another one and then about five

1034
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:10,550
years ago yeah about five years ago we

1035
01:07:17,380 --> 01:07:15,050
had gone to bed and I genuinely I know I

1036
01:07:21,309 --> 01:07:17,390
dream every night but recalling the

1037
01:07:24,099 --> 01:07:21,319
dreams is most difficult unless I focus

1038
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:24,109
on it as soon as I you know wake up it

1039
01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:27,470
you know it's bleeding that goes way for

1040
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:28,660
me

1041
01:07:39,180 --> 01:07:37,060
clearly this dream that I had and in the

1042
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,190
dream the dream state which later on

1043
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:41,920
again I found out that when 80s come to

1044
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:45,280
visit many times they they they or

1045
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:48,030
shield the person and the experience

1046
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,120
feels or seems like a dream so that it I

1047
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:53,920
guess doesn't scare them or something I

1048
01:08:01,680 --> 01:07:57,280
don't know yeah but anyway in the dream

1049
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:01,690
at all fight comes to visit me and I

1050
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:06,880
call this being a she or her because I

1051
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:10,440
felt a very loving and feminine energy

1052
01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:14,290
and she was completely no hair on her

1053
01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:14,740
head

1054
01:08:19,620 --> 01:08:17,140
the eyes were much smaller than the

1055
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:19,630
typical greys that most people know

1056
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:23,020
about and so what happened is that she

1057
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:26,470
took me by the hand and she took me out

1058
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:30,550
through either the wall behind me or

1059
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:33,970
through a dimension I'm still not I'm

1060
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:35,980
still not totally sure exactly what

1061
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:38,410
happened but I do know that in the

1062
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:40,420
process of being taken through either

1063
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:45,400
the dimension or the wall that there was

1064
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,030
this explosion of light that from the

1065
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:50,880
core the center of it

1066
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:54,070
everything was shooting outward and so

1067
01:08:59,640 --> 01:08:56,530
it was all white and this just this

1068
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:59,650
motion of everything you know being you

1069
01:09:06,740 --> 01:09:02,080
know coming out from the center of that

1070
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:06,750
that vision and so after that I

1071
01:09:11,550 --> 01:09:09,460
remembered nothing I don't I don't know

1072
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:11,560
where I was taken I don't know anything

1073
01:09:18,270 --> 01:09:15,730
else but when I woke up I remembered

1074
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:18,280
those details and then I happen to

1075
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:23,680
notice on my right wrist area on the

1076
01:09:27,230 --> 01:09:25,570
under part of the wrist not the top of

1077
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:27,240
the hand or the wrist but underneath

1078
01:09:33,210 --> 01:09:30,130
there were punctures in the form of a

1079
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:33,220
triangle so it's like somebody had taken

1080
01:09:39,630 --> 01:09:36,310
a needle but there was no blood it was

1081
01:09:42,030 --> 01:09:39,640
just you know marks on on my wrist and

1082
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:42,040
then a few inches above that

1083
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:44,290
it's like somebody had taken an exacto

1084
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:47,530
knife and went across my skin and there

1085
01:09:52,559 --> 01:09:49,510
was a probably a mark that was at least

1086
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:52,569
two to three inches in length not far

1087
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:54,640
from that puncture

1088
01:09:58,920 --> 01:09:57,130
looked like a triangle and then on my

1089
01:10:04,010 --> 01:09:58,930
upper right or a left arm

1090
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:04,020
I had essentially another triangular

1091
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:08,010
representation with punctures and then a

1092
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,890
redness in my arm was so quite after

1093
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,840
that more redness as though I had been

1094
01:10:19,230 --> 01:10:16,960
perhaps restrained I'm you know very

1095
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:19,240
light skinned and so you know I bruise

1096
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:22,480
easily and and you know my skin skin

1097
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:24,790
redness if there's any compromise to it

1098
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:29,230
and then on top of that about two days

1099
01:10:36,060 --> 01:10:34,030
later I was just putting my hand up on

1100
01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:36,070
my head scratching my head or something

1101
01:10:42,450 --> 01:10:38,440
and all of a sudden I realized that

1102
01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:42,460
every hair on the top of my head hurt

1103
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:45,640
and there was a bump up there so

1104
01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:48,640
immediately I went to my husband and I I

1105
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:50,620
didn't tell him what I felt I said would

1106
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:52,690
you just please touch the top of my head

1107
01:11:02,670 --> 01:10:56,530
and he said yeah so he did and he said

1108
01:11:04,410 --> 01:11:02,680
there's a bump up there yeah yeah

1109
01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:04,420
there's a bump up there and every hair

1110
01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:06,160
on my head hurts to move it on the top

1111
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:08,980
of my head so that gave me more

1112
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:12,550
confirmation about the fact that I had

1113
01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:14,410
been taken through something whether it

1114
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:17,260
be the wall or a dimension I still don't

1115
01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:20,110
know for sure but that was another

1116
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:22,990
occasion and then about two to three

1117
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:27,370
years ago I had gone to bed at night and

1118
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:30,460
Bob was already asleep and I had my eyes

1119
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:32,290
closed trying to go to sleep

1120
01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:35,050
but I wasn't there yet and all of a

1121
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:37,900
sudden my I heard this sound in the room

1122
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:40,750
it was right next to me and and here in

1123
01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:42,610
the United States we have something

1124
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:45,640
called the amber alert system that if

1125
01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:47,170
you know a child has been abducted

1126
01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:49,900
everybody get this message on their cell

1127
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:52,660
phone and it's with two big beeps yeah

1128
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:54,790
now we don't keep our cell phones in our

1129
01:11:58,440 --> 01:11:55,570
rooms there

1130
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,450
nothing in there that would would you

1131
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:00,960
know have a noise like that so

1132
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:03,610
immediately I popped my eyes open

1133
01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:05,350
because of this sound and it was right

1134
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:08,680
next to me and I popped my eyes open and

1135
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:11,590
in front of me about two feet away two

1136
01:12:17,940 --> 01:12:14,410
to three feet no more than three there's

1137
01:12:20,730 --> 01:12:17,950
this lighted symbol and it just lasted

1138
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:20,740
for a matter of seconds and the symbol

1139
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:25,210
was in the shape of again it was an

1140
01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:28,840
upside-down triangle with a curved top

1141
01:12:34,770 --> 01:12:32,350
to it in all the lines there were lines

1142
01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:34,780
of light and then darkness and and light

1143
01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:37,990
again and darkness and in a big circle

1144
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,180
at the bottom of it in light and so the

1145
01:12:48,740 --> 01:12:45,760
next morning I told my husband about it

1146
01:12:52,940 --> 01:12:48,750
and trying to figure out you know what

1147
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:52,950
what are they trying to tell me tell me

1148
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,280
so he he was teaching at that time and

1149
01:13:02,490 --> 01:13:00,400
he came home and he said he said you

1150
01:13:04,410 --> 01:13:02,500
know what that symbol is and I said it

1151
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:04,420
looks familiar but honestly I don't know

1152
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:07,210
what it means and he said well you know

1153
01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:09,010
think about it and I said okay I thought

1154
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:15,790
about it so tell me what he said that's

1155
01:13:22,860 --> 01:13:19,030
the Wi-Fi symbol I said oh my god you're

1156
01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:22,870
right and so we concluded that the

1157
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:25,240
message that they were trying to send me

1158
01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:28,750
at that time and this was not a small

1159
01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:32,830
symbol it probably was about a good 18

1160
01:13:42,090 --> 01:13:36,940
inches to 2 feet in height and and about

1161
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:42,100
the same in width so it I think what we

1162
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:44,410
decided that that they just wanted to

1163
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:46,570
let me know that I'm in communication

1164
01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:48,820
with them are they're in communication

1165
01:14:00,800 --> 01:13:52,230
with me so kind of a cause a cosmic

1166
01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:04,110
but you know just over time I had

1167
01:14:09,569 --> 01:14:07,000
bruises on my body I can't explain other

1168
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:09,579
scratches on my body

1169
01:14:17,339 --> 01:14:13,300
and and that's really funny because Bob

1170
01:14:21,629 --> 01:14:17,349
and I recently purchased a you know what

1171
01:14:24,689 --> 01:14:21,639
I call Bobby a radio frequency meter an

1172
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:24,699
RF meter because I'm curious about our

1173
01:14:32,339 --> 01:14:28,920
property and where there is significant

1174
01:14:34,169 --> 01:14:32,349
frequencies where they're you know above

1175
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:34,179
normal frequencies and so we also

1176
01:14:43,859 --> 01:14:36,780
started scanning our own bodies

1177
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:43,869
and it turns out that my readings the

1178
01:14:49,109 --> 01:14:47,199
crown of my head on my arms my hands you

1179
01:14:50,459 --> 01:14:49,119
know different different parts so I

1180
01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:50,469
don't know

1181
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:53,409
that's an EF electric you know yes

1182
01:15:00,450 --> 01:14:57,130
frequency electrical frequencies so it's

1183
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,460
because I'm a healer and have that gift

1184
01:15:05,459 --> 01:15:02,320
and an inability to bring through energy

1185
01:15:07,649 --> 01:15:05,469
and help people I think that maybe my

1186
01:15:10,109 --> 01:15:07,659
frequencies might be higher than the

1187
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:10,119
average person I don't know yeah but I

1188
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:12,070
was trying to figure out why because we

1189
01:15:18,839 --> 01:15:16,090
did Bob and his his readings were were

1190
01:15:23,970 --> 01:15:18,849
you know pretty normal compared to what

1191
01:15:26,489 --> 01:15:23,980
mine work so so anyway that's kind of my

1192
01:15:30,899 --> 01:15:26,499
I should probably write a little little

1193
01:15:34,529 --> 01:15:30,909
journal about this but yeah I I feel

1194
01:15:38,189 --> 01:15:34,539
like I am in you know communication with

1195
01:15:41,609 --> 01:15:38,199
them on you know that mental level and

1196
01:15:45,779 --> 01:15:41,619
and also an emotional level I I do find

1197
01:15:48,299 --> 01:15:45,789
them to be loving and helpful and that

1198
01:15:52,919 --> 01:15:48,309
they are they are here to help humanity

1199
01:15:55,950 --> 01:15:52,929
yeah well I've not had any experiences

1200
01:15:59,459 --> 01:15:55,960
really that have been that Pleasant the

1201
01:16:00,629 --> 01:15:59,469
one like I was just telling Bob that you

1202
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:00,639
know there's a little chronology of

1203
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:03,730
events has come up with regards to the

1204
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:06,400
experience the UFO encounter that I had

1205
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:09,460
with friends they other people with me

1206
01:16:17,180 --> 01:16:14,320
they've now come forward and so you know

1207
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:17,190
we're going to explore what happened

1208
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:19,510
from all our different perspectives

1209
01:16:29,459 --> 01:16:23,370
because obviously we've all got

1210
01:16:32,459 --> 01:16:29,469
different memories of the same event you

1211
01:16:36,030 --> 01:16:32,469
know at the same time is all this coming

1212
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:36,040
about somebody that we've just met and

1213
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:40,810
is he treats people who have PTSD using

1214
01:16:46,260 --> 01:16:43,870
hypnosis so and it knee just happens to

1215
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:46,270
be going to leads which is where I'm

1216
01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:47,370
from

1217
01:16:55,470 --> 01:16:52,030
mm-hmm next week so I was like okay I'm

1218
01:16:57,930 --> 01:16:55,480
not sure that I either trust hip now

1219
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:57,940
says no you know I don't know if there's

1220
01:17:03,090 --> 01:17:01,360
any validity to it I don't know if I

1221
01:17:05,939 --> 01:17:03,100
really want to remember anything else

1222
01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:05,949
because of other hard time right placing

1223
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:08,550
the things that I I can't remember

1224
01:17:14,939 --> 01:17:11,530
there's still there's no pigeonhole for

1225
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:14,949
them but there was an incident I don't

1226
01:17:19,919 --> 01:17:17,199
know what how you know these things come

1227
01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:19,929
about like you say they kind of end up

1228
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:22,120
feeling very dreamlike afterwards but

1229
01:17:27,419 --> 01:17:24,850
they come on come up a staircase and I

1230
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:27,429
was on a roof but there was a lot of

1231
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,370
people on this roof and the it had a

1232
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:33,040
wall that was taller than me taller than

1233
01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:36,310
Oliver's and it had a brick building in

1234
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:38,380
the center which looked like it sure

1235
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:41,920
told air conditioning unit and opposite

1236
01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:44,860
now was this table and on the table was

1237
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:47,590
a giant concertina camera and a really

1238
01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:49,540
old-fashioned looking camera it was

1239
01:17:56,669 --> 01:17:52,510
massive about two feet square you know

1240
01:17:59,220 --> 01:17:56,679
and then behind the table was two people

1241
01:18:03,570 --> 01:17:59,230
wearing long black marks and fedora hats

1242
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:03,580
and they looked very waxy faced like you

1243
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:05,350
know he's typical many black kind of

1244
01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:07,000
thing but I don't know if they were yeah

1245
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:08,980
I can't remember if they were wearing

1246
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:11,340
sunglasses or if they had big black eyes

1247
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:14,140
but anyway so come up the staircase and

1248
01:18:17,850 --> 01:18:16,210
we're all coming this staircase and

1249
01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:17,860
we're all walking along this wall and

1250
01:18:21,870 --> 01:18:20,350
each of us has got a paper folder in our

1251
01:18:23,459 --> 01:18:21,880
hands and show file which looks like

1252
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:23,469
it's been taken out of a filing cabinet

1253
01:18:28,770 --> 01:18:26,860
and I and I'd seen them as I come up the

1254
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:28,780
stairs and then Kerry don't walk in but

1255
01:18:32,939 --> 01:18:30,550
then as I kind of got parallel to them I

1256
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:32,949
looked at them and when I looked they

1257
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:34,950
turned towards me and this

1258
01:18:39,230 --> 01:18:36,840
stay in the camera was pointing right at

1259
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:39,240
me and these big blue hearts of light

1260
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:43,110
came like like twisting forwards like in

1261
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:45,420
a beam but they were kind of like

1262
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:48,690
showers of crystal and I put the file up

1263
01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:50,970
to my face you know to protect myself

1264
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:53,190
from it and then I walked over to them

1265
01:19:01,310 --> 01:18:59,580
and I said what did you do that for one

1266
01:19:03,650 --> 01:19:01,320
of them yeah one of them just sort of

1267
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:03,660
raised it sound really slowly to a point

1268
01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:05,550
that was pointing towards this brick

1269
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:08,670
building that it was opposite so I

1270
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:10,380
turned around and I walked into this

1271
01:19:16,010 --> 01:19:13,560
build this brick room and there was a

1272
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:16,020
kind of bench with some tools on it and

1273
01:19:19,460 --> 01:19:17,520
what have you and it was old brick there

1274
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:19,470
was nothing nothing in there apart from

1275
01:19:24,230 --> 01:19:21,570
a painting on the wall which was about

1276
01:19:26,810 --> 01:19:24,240
three feet in height but about a foot

1277
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:26,820
and a half wide and it was bright orange

1278
01:19:32,060 --> 01:19:29,310
but fading to the top it was kind of

1279
01:19:33,380 --> 01:19:32,070
getting a little bit lighter and at the

1280
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:33,390
bottom there were all these squiggles

1281
01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:37,410
and dots in black and it just looked

1282
01:19:43,130 --> 01:19:40,500
like weird just weird symbols but as I

1283
01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:43,140
kind of moved forwards towards it and it

1284
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:45,960
came and you know it came to be faced on

1285
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:49,440
with it all of those squiggles and dots

1286
01:19:55,250 --> 01:19:52,260
kind of moved together and became words

1287
01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:55,260
and the word scrolled up these painting

1288
01:19:59,210 --> 01:19:57,780
and they got there were big at first and

1289
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:59,220
then as they went up they've got smaller

1290
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:01,140
and smaller and they turn to birds and

1291
01:20:05,630 --> 01:20:03,210
they flew off into the corner now I

1292
01:20:08,420 --> 01:20:05,640
remember holding that and I remember it

1293
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:08,430
the word blessings because that makes me

1294
01:20:11,870 --> 01:20:10,290
feel a bit uncomfortable because of the

1295
01:20:14,170 --> 01:20:11,880
types of people that use it in the way

1296
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:14,180
that I don't you know it's not right so

1297
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:18,450
you know I'm a bit anyway I remember

1298
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:20,010
that word because of the feeling that it

1299
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:22,770
gave me is like eek as soon as I see it

1300
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:26,370
I think eek but I said that to

1301
01:20:31,940 --> 01:20:30,840
test-drive the hypnosis I will go back

1302
01:20:34,970 --> 01:20:31,950
to that because nothing actually

1303
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:34,980
happened to me it was just weird weird

1304
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:37,170
random thing I don't know the nature of

1305
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:40,140
it but I want to know what was said on

1306
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:43,290
that painting and you know it's

1307
01:20:48,230 --> 01:20:46,230
important that I go back to that and

1308
01:20:48,699 --> 01:20:48,240
I've always thought I might go back to

1309
01:20:52,750 --> 01:20:48,709
that if

1310
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:52,760
forget the opportunity so you know Stu

1311
01:20:58,929 --> 01:20:55,369
so which has just come up

1312
01:21:06,399 --> 01:20:58,939
so so have you have hypnotherapy

1313
01:21:08,830 --> 01:21:06,409
sessions around this not yet it

1314
01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:08,840
basically treats PTSD he said there's no

1315
01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:11,719
D in PTSD it's just trauma so let's deal

1316
01:21:16,569 --> 01:21:14,420
with that yeah which is made me feel a

1317
01:21:19,419 --> 01:21:16,579
little bit safer because obviously if

1318
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:19,429
something traumatic does come up I'm

1319
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,780
hoping that he's gonna be able to help

1320
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:22,400
me deal with all that anyway because

1321
01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:25,280
I've just bottled it up it's it's um

1322
01:21:40,179 --> 01:21:27,860
dealt with how can you deal with trauma

1323
01:21:42,489 --> 01:21:40,189
from aliens on your own it's kind of

1324
01:21:45,759 --> 01:21:42,499
just you just spin around your own head

1325
01:21:48,370 --> 01:21:45,769
and tarts people and sometimes talking

1326
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:48,380
to people you know you discover more

1327
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:51,050
things because things you know your

1328
01:21:55,509 --> 01:21:53,110
experiences mirror each other but then

1329
01:22:02,979 --> 01:21:55,519
you just left with the same questions

1330
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:02,989
you just said somebody else so I said

1331
01:22:07,689 --> 01:22:05,510
well Steve and I and dunya I don't know

1332
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,699
if dunya will go for this they hypnosis

1333
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:10,400
I'm not sure but you know Steve and I

1334
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:12,130
said it would be a good control

1335
01:22:18,279 --> 01:22:14,510
experiment because neither was got any

1336
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:18,289
recollection of anything right so if

1337
01:22:25,299 --> 01:22:20,050
anything did happen then we should

1338
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:25,309
separately say very similar things right

1339
01:22:29,799 --> 01:22:28,070
right you know I think so of course

1340
01:22:34,089 --> 01:22:29,809
again everybody has their own

1341
01:22:35,739 --> 01:22:34,099
interpretation of any event but there

1342
01:22:39,629 --> 01:22:35,749
should be some common threads there of

1343
01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:39,639
some kind yeah that you can say yeah

1344
01:22:45,580 --> 01:22:41,320
that's right

1345
01:22:48,069 --> 01:22:45,590
but I have never know I know that you

1346
01:22:53,709 --> 01:22:48,079
know Bobbie has had some hypnotherapy

1347
01:22:55,989 --> 01:22:53,719
sessions but I I never felt that I

1348
01:22:58,029 --> 01:22:55,999
needed to go and explore anything

1349
01:23:00,489 --> 01:22:58,039
because what happened to me in that

1350
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:00,499
dream state was a very loving experience

1351
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:02,570
and what happened afterwards I have no

1352
01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:05,989
idea a complete blank and memory on that

1353
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,260
one but I'm satisfied I guess that that

1354
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:11,840
there was no trauma around it whatsoever

1355
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:15,679
and and so except for the bump on my

1356
01:23:24,459 --> 01:23:22,730
head but there was one other thing I

1357
01:23:29,050 --> 01:23:24,469
also wanted to mention that I had my own

1358
01:23:31,149 --> 01:23:29,060
UFO experience here in Ojai about 10 to

1359
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:31,159
15 years ago when I was coming home and

1360
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:32,329
I was alone in the car

1361
01:23:38,620 --> 01:23:35,810
I had just been in Los Angeles visiting

1362
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,630
with my sister-in-law and on the way

1363
01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:40,400
home it was about 10:00 10:30 at night

1364
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:44,030
and Ojai is a very it's not a well lit

1365
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:46,550
community except for the towns itself

1366
01:23:51,339 --> 01:23:48,460
but you know it's more of a rural area

1367
01:23:54,189 --> 01:23:51,349
and so there's not a lot of lighting and

1368
01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:54,199
then all of a sudden I seen this craft

1369
01:23:59,890 --> 01:23:56,780
about the height of a helicopter where a

1370
01:24:02,919 --> 01:23:59,900
helicopter would fly wasn't that far up

1371
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:02,929
off the horizon and it was a complete

1372
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:06,050
circle of colored lights going across

1373
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:10,400
the highway and that was an experience

1374
01:24:15,879 --> 01:24:13,610
I'll never forget because it it was it

1375
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:15,889
to me it wasn't really flying flying it

1376
01:24:21,609 --> 01:24:19,040
was floating and then it went behind a

1377
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:21,619
hill and as soon as a few seconds later

1378
01:24:24,970 --> 01:24:23,329
I rounded the hill I thought well

1379
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:24,980
there's a street coming up I can take

1380
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:26,810
that and try to follow it well it was

1381
01:24:32,919 --> 01:24:30,770
gone it was in a flash but it was like

1382
01:24:35,169 --> 01:24:32,929
Christmas tree lights to me you know it

1383
01:24:38,919 --> 01:24:35,179
just and I never seen anything like that

1384
01:24:43,839 --> 01:24:38,929
in the air before so to me it was it was

1385
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:43,849
you know a UFO so yeah this is oh oh hi

1386
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:45,710
has a lot of stories like that a lot of

1387
01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:48,650
people have experiences you know we have

1388
01:24:54,669 --> 01:24:50,929
mountains that surround us and people

1389
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:54,679
see things frequently here I think that

1390
01:25:00,399 --> 01:24:57,040
they hide out in them there hills

1391
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,409
well I'm from Yorkshire and it's very

1392
01:25:05,709 --> 01:25:03,440
you know there's the peaks the lakes and

1393
01:25:08,859 --> 01:25:05,719
there's a lot of open ground space where

1394
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:08,869
there's nothing there you know we've

1395
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:11,930
been campaign and seeing weird things

1396
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:14,810
and they you just reminded me of one

1397
01:25:19,540 --> 01:25:17,450
with the floating because it took me a

1398
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,550
while to put my brain to register that

1399
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:21,440
what obviously was unusual because I was

1400
01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:24,260
just kind of staring out a like because

1401
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:26,270
it was just floating like a feather but

1402
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:28,070
he wasn't dropping no it's kind of

1403
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:30,140
floating down and it kept popping up

1404
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:32,510
from behind the cloud and then going

1405
01:25:36,190 --> 01:25:34,310
back behind the cloud and then coming

1406
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:36,200
back and then but now when I think about

1407
01:25:40,810 --> 01:25:38,570
it I think I think that was a cloud I

1408
01:25:43,870 --> 01:25:40,820
think it was something that it created

1409
01:25:48,340 --> 01:25:43,880
itself because right that seemed to

1410
01:25:51,220 --> 01:25:48,350
disappear as the these three lights and

1411
01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:51,230
it looked a bit pinkish but the Sun was

1412
01:25:56,350 --> 01:25:53,630
setting so I don't know if that was just

1413
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:56,360
a kind of reflection of the color of the

1414
01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:01,040
sky as it moved around as it kind of

1415
01:26:10,650 --> 01:26:03,980
floated its way swinging around to the

1416
01:26:14,170 --> 01:26:10,660
right it just blinked out and just gone

1417
01:26:16,450 --> 01:26:14,180
there and then it's not yeah didn't sue

1418
01:26:20,260 --> 01:26:16,460
ma for anything it was just not there

1419
01:26:23,650 --> 01:26:20,270
anymore it's really hard to describe and

1420
01:26:26,110 --> 01:26:23,660
the way that it kind of jolts your brain

1421
01:26:29,020 --> 01:26:26,120
because it's like oh I didn't see it

1422
01:26:31,390 --> 01:26:29,030
move off you didn't see it close down

1423
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:31,400
gets smaller and blink out it just was

1424
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:34,070
gone yeah it was just gone yeah yeah

1425
01:26:38,020 --> 01:26:36,530
that was my experience within two or

1426
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:38,030
three seconds after getting around that

1427
01:26:44,170 --> 01:26:41,600
hill I thought yeah it's actually the

1428
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:44,180
the shock of that was more so than

1429
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:46,490
actually seeing the crimson yeah it's

1430
01:26:50,770 --> 01:26:48,710
like how come back how can that

1431
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:50,780
disappear so quickly but I'm just moving

1432
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:53,570
that fast that I you know it should be

1433
01:27:01,240 --> 01:26:55,490
gone like that but yeah that's what

1434
01:27:02,980 --> 01:27:01,250
happened anyway well when I was on my

1435
01:27:05,380 --> 01:27:02,990
way to work with morning and it was

1436
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:05,390
three yellow lights in the cluster and

1437
01:27:11,470 --> 01:27:08,360
we we went around abandoned a very thin

1438
01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:11,480
birch tree with a few branches kind of

1439
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:16,040
obscured the view for a second and as we

1440
01:27:23,710 --> 01:27:21,530
got turn that bend it was gone yeah no

1441
01:27:24,270 --> 01:27:23,720
it wasn't gone it's just such a shock to

1442
01:27:26,910 --> 01:27:24,280
you bro

1443
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:26,920
because he kind of is that's not

1444
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:28,390
supposed to happen and the brain doesn't

1445
01:27:36,900 --> 01:27:33,100
like it when things no no that's not the

1446
01:27:38,850 --> 01:27:36,910
reality you know everything is kind of

1447
01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:38,860
predictable in some ways you know like

1448
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:41,020
the movement of objects they just don't

1449
01:27:49,470 --> 01:27:45,730
disappear in any way we live it we live

1450
01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:49,480
in strange times and I think you know

1451
01:27:56,970 --> 01:27:52,900
we're just being alerted and tested and

1452
01:28:00,420 --> 01:27:56,980
and you know hopefully they will really

1453
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:00,430
make their their presence on higher

1454
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:03,730
levels you know through government and

1455
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:05,410
it's a matter of the government you know

1456
01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:08,170
messing up and telling the truth about

1457
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:10,750
it which it looks like there are some

1458
01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:13,170
cracks in that disclosure or

1459
01:28:20,190 --> 01:28:17,560
non-disclosure wall for instance you

1460
01:28:23,940 --> 01:28:20,200
know the the Navy here has has now

1461
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:23,950
initiated guidelines for naval personnel

1462
01:28:32,580 --> 01:28:28,510
to report unidentified aerial phenomena

1463
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:32,590
is what they call it so that that's a

1464
01:29:17,310 --> 01:28:53,050
step forward okay will you take care of

1465
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:17,320
my part that we do talk because you know

1466
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:19,450
I have two friends who are genuine

1467
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:22,480
abductees and talking just those two

1468
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,730
people we've discovered quite a few

1469
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:26,800
things between us and that's just two

1470
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:29,770
people so I keep thinking if we all

1471
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:32,710
could just sit down and compare notes

1472
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:38,320
and it's some kind of data from what

1473
01:29:44,610 --> 01:29:40,930
we're seeing because people ignore us

1474
01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:44,620
you know think we're crazy deluded or

1475
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,400
ill or whatever we're really not I mean

1476
01:29:55,470 --> 01:29:53,440
nobody could question my son I say any

1477
01:29:58,620 --> 01:29:55,480
more times that I have question my son

1478
01:30:00,180 --> 01:29:58,630
is throughout my life question which

1479
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:00,190
I've tried to convince so many

1480
01:30:03,870 --> 01:30:01,570
therapists that there's something wrong

1481
01:30:06,510 --> 01:30:03,880
with me so many doctors and they're not

1482
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:06,520
having any of it my last therapist told

1483
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:09,280
me there's no cure for sanity I'm just

1484
01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:10,960
going to have to learn to live in my own

1485
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:13,780
skin so I don't really know where to go

1486
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:23,350
from that pop-up and they just become

1487
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:34,290
bigger than themselves and we have to

1488
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:38,110
come together as a community and and

1489
01:30:45,210 --> 01:30:42,490
take this or of secrecy out in other

1490
01:30:51,150 --> 01:30:45,220
words just be more open

1491
01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:51,160
like you say compare notes just bring it

1492
01:30:56,970 --> 01:30:53,230
out in the open and then we can come to

1493
01:31:02,340 --> 01:30:56,980
some idea of what the heck's going on

1494
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:02,350
here because that's what we're all

1495
01:31:08,220 --> 01:31:04,410
interested in we just want to know what

1496
01:31:11,490 --> 01:31:08,230
what what is their agenda what what are

1497
01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:11,500
they trying to do with us so or to us or

1498
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:14,680
they're just observers or are they

1499
01:31:23,490 --> 01:31:19,530
trying to somehow control our lives or

1500
01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:23,500
our futures what the heck's going on and

1501
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:26,760
and disclosure or getting governments to

1502
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:30,730
tell the truth about the matter of

1503
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:34,930
course is one part of it but of course

1504
01:31:43,490 --> 01:31:39,070
the other part is you and I and millions

1505
01:31:47,730 --> 01:31:43,500
of others that have been had experiences

1506
01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:47,740
coming together and then trying to

1507
01:31:53,850 --> 01:31:50,920
you know get some details nailed down

1508
01:31:56,750 --> 01:31:53,860
yeah the ridicule factor needs to be

1509
01:32:01,230 --> 01:31:56,760
erased and you know notice this with the

1510
01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:01,240
the unidentified TTS a and and they take

1511
01:32:06,030 --> 01:32:03,070
all that they want to stay as far away

1512
01:32:08,130 --> 01:32:06,040
from aliens as possible which you know I

1513
01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:08,140
understand but we shouldn't be staying

1514
01:32:13,230 --> 01:32:10,180
as far away from it as possible we

1515
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:13,240
should be trying to make it in a you

1516
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:15,490
know look at it in a way that it's okay

1517
01:32:19,230 --> 01:32:17,290
to talk about this it's okay to have

1518
01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:19,240
these conversations we're not saying

1519
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:21,340
that you know this is what we think it

1520
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:23,650
is we just got to explore that we have

1521
01:32:27,870 --> 01:32:26,170
to have the conversations because one we

1522
01:32:33,050 --> 01:32:27,880
have the conversations we do find out

1523
01:32:37,170 --> 01:32:33,060
things you know it's this ridicule that

1524
01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:37,180
to go because it's it's not nothing you

1525
01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:39,700
know it some of it might be some dreams

1526
01:32:45,780 --> 01:32:42,070
some of it might be some funky mind

1527
01:32:49,410 --> 01:32:45,790
stuff but you know what is them how can

1528
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:49,420
the mind leave bruises and puncture

1529
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:52,930
marks marks and people walking through

1530
01:32:58,520 --> 01:32:55,690
doors of not walls and windows I mean

1531
01:33:01,320 --> 01:32:58,530
you know how I've got a friend parlor

1532
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:01,330
when you said they you know your moment

1533
01:33:04,890 --> 01:33:02,530
when you were being walk through the

1534
01:33:06,450 --> 01:33:04,900
window my friend parlor we would we had

1535
01:33:09,540 --> 01:33:06,460
not to stay at someone's house and we

1536
01:33:10,980 --> 01:33:09,550
would we had an event I was unconscious

1537
01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:10,990
on the bed while she got pulled

1538
01:33:14,490 --> 01:33:12,580
backwards by her feet through the window

1539
01:33:16,230 --> 01:33:14,500
she said there was a second where

1540
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:16,240
everything seemed to slow right down and

1541
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:20,080
stop just as their eyeballs became level

1542
01:33:24,750 --> 01:33:21,970
with the glass and she said she could

1543
01:33:27,690 --> 01:33:24,760
just see endless gray from in a

1544
01:33:30,090 --> 01:33:27,700
peripheral vision like her eyeballs were

1545
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:30,100
fused into the glass and then boom she

1546
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:31,450
was pulled backwards and out of the

1547
01:33:37,290 --> 01:33:35,050
window you know and she said the speech

1548
01:33:39,480 --> 01:33:37,300
she was going should have been 200 miles

1549
01:33:42,930 --> 01:33:39,490
away but then she only ended up being

1550
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:42,940
over the field in front of the house so

1551
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:45,610
and and I've been pulled through a wall

1552
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,810
as well a brick wall with a window but

1553
01:33:56,940 --> 01:33:51,760
where my feet were it would have hit the

1554
01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:56,950
wall so I I don't care if other people

1555
01:34:02,430 --> 01:33:58,210
don't believe me

1556
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:02,440
but to talk to people like you and Paula

1557
01:34:08,610 --> 01:34:06,250
and others that have had things that

1558
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:08,620
have married the stuff that I've had you

1559
01:34:13,260 --> 01:34:10,360
know we will give her find some answers

1560
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,270
at least into how or what they're doing

1561
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:16,320
in certain parts of the abductions

1562
01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:19,510
you know maybe not figuring out how they

1563
01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:23,980
do it but what are they doing to us you

1564
01:34:29,310 --> 01:34:25,980
know I mean y'all needle in the groin

1565
01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:29,320
that's horrific but then we have to go

1566
01:34:37,709 --> 01:34:31,900
about our day and the rest of our lives

1567
01:34:41,420 --> 01:34:37,719
without knowing why that happened what's

1568
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:41,430
our yes yes

1569
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:48,880
so yeah that's gonna work hard with the

1570
01:34:56,459 --> 01:34:53,610
school here by running for Congress but

1571
01:35:00,930 --> 01:34:56,469
but we just you know I have to keep

1572
01:35:03,260 --> 01:35:00,940
spreading the word to encourage people

1573
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:03,270
to come forward more witnesses there are

1574
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:06,450
plenty of people out there I'm sure that

1575
01:35:16,340 --> 01:35:10,630
have very interesting stories that would

1576
01:35:19,229 --> 01:35:16,350
rather not speak openly about them but

1577
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:19,239
we'll just keep trying to encourage

1578
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:31,090
those the powers that are going to give

1579
01:35:45,630 --> 01:35:42,910
us the information that's true they may

1580
01:35:51,690 --> 01:35:45,640
not have all the answers either I'm sure

1581
01:35:55,220 --> 01:35:51,700
they don't they have some and which

1582
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:55,230
might lead to other answers what basic

1583
01:36:02,700 --> 01:35:58,800
thing is that pull all the information

1584
01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:02,710
and make it accessible to everybody and

1585
01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:05,620
I think we could pretty much figure out

1586
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:10,030
what's what's going on yeah but there's

1587
01:36:18,610 --> 01:36:11,450
no doubt

1588
01:36:22,150 --> 01:36:18,620
phenomenon is real that is we are indeed

1589
01:36:28,630 --> 01:36:22,160
being visited by extraterrestrial beings

1590
01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:28,640
on fantastic craft they could do some

1591
01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:32,630
very unusual things that physics tells

1592
01:36:40,270 --> 01:36:38,270
us they shouldn't be able to do and

1593
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:40,280
that's that's certain there's no

1594
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,770
question about that yeah well I like to

1595
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:47,840
hide behind I don't know because it's a

1596
01:36:58,600 --> 01:36:56,810
safe place for me I don't know my brain

1597
01:37:00,490 --> 01:36:58,610
says you don't know because you can't go

1598
01:37:03,010 --> 01:37:00,500
back to that moment and interacting with

1599
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:03,020
it on a meaningful level and extrapolate

1600
01:37:22,450 --> 01:37:06,050
any data whatsoever so you don't know

1601
01:37:25,210 --> 01:37:22,460
you think my whole body goes exactly

1602
01:37:27,490 --> 01:37:25,220
what you're saying it took me a while

1603
01:37:32,290 --> 01:37:27,500
actually after I started speaking

1604
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:32,300
publicly about this it took me a while

1605
01:37:39,850 --> 01:37:37,610
many many years and we just watch and

1606
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:39,860
going to conferences and listening to

1607
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:43,570
other speakers I finally hit me that

1608
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:46,970
cave this is real you know this is

1609
01:37:54,670 --> 01:37:52,370
really truly real and so it's a process

1610
01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:54,680
I think like you say you're you're

1611
01:38:02,590 --> 01:37:59,050
fighting with you your rational self

1612
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:02,600
your own thoughts and ideas and things

1613
01:38:10,450 --> 01:38:04,250
that you have to do every day like you

1614
01:38:12,670 --> 01:38:10,460
say a normal course of living it takes

1615
01:38:18,420 --> 01:38:12,680
time it just takes time for this to

1616
01:38:21,130 --> 01:38:18,430
really sink in so we cannot just go

1617
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:21,140
publicly and talk to the person on the

1618
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:24,170
street and shake them and say this is

1619
01:38:27,790 --> 01:38:25,250
real they

1620
01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:27,800
had to accept this in their own way in

1621
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:32,600
their own time yeah I just hope it's not

1622
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:35,450
when we have a thousand UFOs in the air

1623
01:38:56,440 --> 01:38:38,330
and it's here's your disclosure if we've

1624
01:39:00,580 --> 01:38:56,450
turned up oh if you know if if we have

1625
01:39:05,110 --> 01:39:00,590
disclosure then religion would go mad

1626
01:39:11,470 --> 01:39:05,120
and Wall Street would crash and all

1627
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:11,480
those are the things that's

1628
01:39:16,510 --> 01:39:14,450
fear-mongering yes fear mongering and

1629
01:39:21,190 --> 01:39:16,520
that's the technique that's been used

1630
01:39:25,300 --> 01:39:21,200
for a long long time by we're not well

1631
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:25,310
called the International UFO cabal it's

1632
01:39:34,750 --> 01:39:30,880
a it is an international organization

1633
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,760
then exists in hi sequencing throughout

1634
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:37,040
the world they are exchanging

1635
01:39:49,210 --> 01:39:43,130
information on what they have on on UFOs

1636
01:39:52,750 --> 01:39:49,220
and their occupants and of course if you

1637
01:39:57,660 --> 01:39:52,760
allow these secret organizations to do

1638
01:40:00,280 --> 01:39:57,670
their well they may have already

1639
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:00,290
interacted with these beings in in such

1640
01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:03,770
a way where the people you know a

1641
01:40:09,310 --> 01:40:06,110
greater mass of the populace of the

1642
01:40:12,010 --> 01:40:09,320
planet does not want to see that in

1643
01:40:16,420 --> 01:40:12,020
other words they may consider them the

1644
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:16,430
enemy and had little fights of battles

1645
01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:19,040
with the moon who knows what's going on

1646
01:40:28,210 --> 01:40:23,260
but I do know that the the root of this

1647
01:40:34,210 --> 01:40:28,220
cabal at the root is is greed and power

1648
01:40:37,540 --> 01:40:34,220
is what they're all about greed because

1649
01:40:38,890 --> 01:40:37,550
some of the technology can be used to to

1650
01:40:42,580 --> 01:40:38,900
go up

1651
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:42,590
new and exotic weaponry or something

1652
01:40:49,980 --> 01:40:45,650
like it and make make money through that

1653
01:40:54,700 --> 01:40:49,990
and other applications and technology

1654
01:40:56,530 --> 01:40:54,710
and enrich themselves that's a great

1655
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:56,540
part and then the power part of course

1656
01:41:03,730 --> 01:41:00,080
is all secrets especially secrets of

1657
01:41:09,610 --> 01:41:03,740
this nature would be very powerful tools

1658
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:09,620
to extract secrets from from other

1659
01:41:19,450 --> 01:41:15,530
countries in exchange so I think those

1660
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:19,460
two factors greed and power are the main

1661
01:41:43,150 --> 01:41:37,850
drivers for this international cabal you

1662
01:41:47,230 --> 01:41:43,160
know it's ever been more sane less say I

1663
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:47,240
don't know if life just rolls like this

1664
01:41:54,910 --> 01:41:51,440
always but there's definitely sinister

1665
01:41:57,190 --> 01:41:54,920
things the thoughts and you know the

1666
01:41:59,280 --> 01:41:57,200
fact that they spend this is one thing

1667
01:42:01,630 --> 01:41:59,290
that confuses me they spent so much time

1668
01:42:06,130 --> 01:42:01,640
generating this level of secrecy and

1669
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:06,140
disinformation around the phenomena and

1670
01:42:12,700 --> 01:42:10,730
not some vaults UFOs so you know

1671
01:42:16,660 --> 01:42:12,710
whenever there's any kind of admission

1672
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:16,670
it always makes me suspicious why are

1673
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:19,970
they allowing the Navy to tell us about

1674
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,850
these events that they've had you know

1675
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:25,520
why is it they all of a sudden to talk

1676
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:29,090
about this mm-hmm I just feel like

1677
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:31,730
there's some justification needed for

1678
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:35,930
something and you know why

1679
01:42:47,380 --> 01:42:40,490
you know why are we gonna trust you know

1680
01:42:50,460 --> 01:42:47,390
oh you can't you can't trust that's the

1681
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:50,470
problem that's why we need more openness

1682
01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:54,880
in government and make that a primary

1683
01:42:59,730 --> 01:42:57,820
issue which I'm going to do in my

1684
01:43:03,200 --> 01:42:59,740
campaign that's going to be one of the

1685
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:03,210
prime issues that I talked about is

1686
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:07,900
excessive secrecy again in many many

1687
01:43:14,090 --> 01:43:10,470
different areas but of course especially

1688
01:43:18,570 --> 01:43:14,100
this regarding the Yorkville phenomenon

1689
01:43:20,340 --> 01:43:18,580
know there's some objective in the

1690
01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:20,350
background that we don't understand why

1691
01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:23,710
the maybe is agreed to at least admit

1692
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:27,190
that they are studying the issue again I

1693
01:43:33,450 --> 01:43:30,910
mean of course the Air Force studied

1694
01:43:35,790 --> 01:43:33,460
this up until 1969 like I mentioned and

1695
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:35,800
then they proclaimed that they would no

1696
01:43:42,210 --> 01:43:38,470
longer be studying the phenomenon but

1697
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:42,220
they have indeed been studying it

1698
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:46,290
because I've got documents showing that

1699
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,330
they have had studies in secret so like

1700
01:43:59,220 --> 01:43:55,920
I said a lot of this stuff is being

1701
01:44:02,730 --> 01:43:59,230
carrying is carrying on and secrecy high

1702
01:44:05,420 --> 01:44:02,740
secrecy and there's disinformation

1703
01:44:09,570 --> 01:44:05,430
campaigns going on there's ridicule

1704
01:44:15,150 --> 01:44:09,580
continuing from the government and the

1705
01:44:17,690 --> 01:44:15,160
press and the media and so like I said I

1706
01:44:20,340 --> 01:44:17,700
I just got very frustrated with all that

1707
01:44:23,610 --> 01:44:20,350
decided I'm mad as hell and I'm gonna do

1708
01:44:28,190 --> 01:44:23,620
something about it I'm going to run for

1709
01:44:30,770 --> 01:44:28,200
government and by the very act of my

1710
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:30,780
running for government I'm going to be

1711
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:34,090
speaking openly about the UFO phenomenon

1712
01:44:41,970 --> 01:44:37,510
I know that that doesn't sound like a

1713
01:44:44,850 --> 01:44:41,980
very good strategy but that's exactly

1714
01:44:50,340 --> 01:44:44,860
what I'm going to do because I I want to

1715
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:50,350
get more of this in the public yeah and

1716
01:44:57,570 --> 01:44:53,610
I think the climate is right as well no

1717
01:45:02,520 --> 01:44:57,580
can they put the foot forward because of

1718
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:02,530
the Navy yeah UFO you know being these

1719
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:05,590
encounters being released and others you

1720
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:09,850
know these these people I mean I spoke

1721
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:12,130
to Sean Cahill a couple of weeks ago

1722
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:14,530
Michelle you know he was the top

1723
01:45:20,610 --> 01:45:17,050
security guy on one of the ships that

1724
01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:20,620
they have does he cannot be a freaky

1725
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:23,320
geek if you've got your in a position of

1726
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:25,810
responsibility like that you know and

1727
01:45:30,990 --> 01:45:28,810
and this their having other experiences

1728
01:45:32,370 --> 01:45:31,000
as well as some of these fellows it's

1729
01:45:35,250 --> 01:45:32,380
not the only thing that they've seen

1730
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:35,260
they've had other stuff happen to them

1731
01:45:39,170 --> 01:45:36,880
as well which they really want to talk

1732
01:45:43,110 --> 01:45:39,180
about and explore but they're dense

1733
01:45:46,050 --> 01:45:43,120
because you know it's dodgy territory we

1734
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:46,060
want to remain credible but we still

1735
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:48,090
need to have those conversations because

1736
01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:51,610
the the phenomena doesn't just end with

1737
01:45:57,570 --> 01:45:54,310
seeing something in the sky it leaves

1738
01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:57,580
you with a ripple effect that actually

1739
01:46:01,170 --> 01:45:59,710
seems to invite the phenomena even more

1740
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,180
because it's put you on some sort of

1741
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:04,000
conscious level where you've like

1742
01:46:09,540 --> 01:46:05,440
Marilyn was saying earlier about

1743
01:46:12,570 --> 01:46:09,550
frequencies changing you know it's is

1744
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:12,580
that what's happening to us you know but

1745
01:46:18,570 --> 01:46:16,330
the fear factor of mentioning any of it

1746
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:18,580
that is where we really need to do our

1747
01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:25,360
hardest work yes yes you're right and

1748
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:28,420
and that's why the Cabal has been so

1749
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:33,280
effective because they know this is

1750
01:46:44,730 --> 01:46:38,070
sounds ridiculous to ordinary years

1751
01:46:48,830 --> 01:46:44,740
common use and we've got to overcome

1752
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:48,840
that fear factor you know those of us I

1753
01:46:53,700 --> 01:46:51,970
look at it as responsibility those of us

1754
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:53,710
that have had experiences have a

1755
01:47:02,160 --> 01:46:57,610
responsibility to come forward and tell

1756
01:47:04,490 --> 01:47:02,170
the public and but that's up to us we

1757
01:47:09,540 --> 01:47:04,500
need to recognize that responsibility

1758
01:47:11,580 --> 01:47:09,550
and and share it with the public and

1759
01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:11,590
this comes under the heading of all all

1760
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:15,880
of us working together to find the truth

1761
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:19,090
and that's what I'm inspired by people

1762
01:47:24,350 --> 01:47:22,330
power basically and I think that's

1763
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:24,360
that's the answer

1764
01:47:32,970 --> 01:47:29,760
people have to speak out yeah they can I

1765
01:47:35,340 --> 01:47:32,980
know it's so isolating as well at these

1766
01:47:37,050 --> 01:47:35,350
events at first you know most people

1767
01:47:37,620 --> 01:47:37,060
will say that they've just felt so alone

1768
01:47:40,830 --> 01:47:37,630
with it

1769
01:47:42,510 --> 01:47:40,840
so there's you know there's there is

1770
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:42,520
comfort in finding the right people to

1771
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:44,320
talk to but it's actually finding those

1772
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:46,690
people who is the right person to go to

1773
01:47:53,340 --> 01:47:50,050
it with all of this you know there are

1774
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,350
so many frauds and people that just want

1775
01:48:00,570 --> 01:47:55,840
to make a name for themselves and become

1776
01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:00,580
the beginning very dangerous places the

1777
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:04,510
UFO community it's not safe at all no

1778
01:48:11,070 --> 01:48:08,040
you're absolutely right and the

1779
01:48:13,890 --> 01:48:11,080
so-called UFO community has been

1780
01:48:17,070 --> 01:48:13,900
infiltrated no question about it

1781
01:48:23,210 --> 01:48:17,080
there are disinformation and folks that

1782
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:23,220
are involved in telling these wild tales

1783
01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:25,650
based on no evidence or no

1784
01:48:31,950 --> 01:48:28,900
substantiation at all and they they do

1785
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:31,960
us more harm they really do and that and

1786
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:35,410
that's why I think you and I others have

1787
01:48:42,330 --> 01:48:39,370
had to make judgments about people let's

1788
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:42,340
say which I know I I hate to do I don't

1789
01:48:49,140 --> 01:48:45,840
like to judge people but in this case

1790
01:48:55,260 --> 01:48:49,150
when people are doing harm to the cause

1791
01:48:58,740 --> 01:48:55,270
of disclosure by telling telling wild

1792
01:49:04,050 --> 01:48:58,750
tales let's say that they just took out

1793
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:04,060
of thin air is harming all of us so we

1794
01:49:10,620 --> 01:49:07,110
have to call that out when we see it

1795
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:10,630
because the phenomena is real and how

1796
01:49:15,630 --> 01:49:13,510
can we see it for what it is when

1797
01:49:19,110 --> 01:49:15,640
there's so much pollution it's just

1798
01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:19,120
noises you know it and it's not just

1799
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:21,490
deliberate it's not I know that there is

1800
01:49:27,870 --> 01:49:24,970
an effort to disrupt the hope the entire

1801
01:49:29,540 --> 01:49:27,880
scene but also the people that they want

1802
01:49:31,370 --> 01:49:29,550
to have you know

1803
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:31,380
lives are maybe a little bit dull they

1804
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:32,730
want to feel different they want to feel

1805
01:49:38,180 --> 01:49:34,290
like they belong to something so they

1806
01:49:40,339 --> 01:49:38,190
might you know elaborate or make things

1807
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:40,349
up just so that they can talk and be a

1808
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:42,510
part of this thing that they think is

1809
01:49:49,100 --> 01:49:45,780
something really cool and groovy but all

1810
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:49,110
of that is is pollution and and I find

1811
01:50:02,209 --> 01:49:54,090
it very hard to bite my soul when it

1812
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:02,219
comes to this I don't see why I should

1813
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:09,570
have to bite my tongue when I don't bite

1814
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:13,110
your tongue speak out about it I

1815
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:15,449
encourage you to speak out when they see

1816
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:19,770
some or ask questions basically and you

1817
01:50:25,310 --> 01:50:22,020
know get to the bottom of it do you have

1818
01:50:30,260 --> 01:50:25,320
any substantiating evidence you know

1819
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,270
that way you can order no that way you

1820
01:50:38,299 --> 01:50:32,960
can order the evidence in other words

1821
01:50:43,220 --> 01:50:38,309
place more value on on some what I call

1822
01:50:45,740 --> 01:50:43,230
evidence from the phenomenon based on

1823
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:45,750
you know documents the number of

1824
01:50:51,319 --> 01:50:49,530
witnesses the credulity of the

1825
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:51,329
individual the integrity of the

1826
01:50:58,580 --> 01:50:54,780
individual those kinds of things what I

1827
01:51:03,319 --> 01:50:58,590
call the judgmental of course but

1828
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:03,329
necessary to evaluate the truth of the

1829
01:51:08,660 --> 01:51:07,020
matter and we're just we're just

1830
01:51:11,169 --> 01:51:08,670
listening to people that are spotting

1831
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:11,179
are making wild claims without any

1832
01:51:24,220 --> 01:51:15,119
supporting evidence for information and

1833
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:24,230
well we can put that down in the order I

1834
01:51:30,350 --> 01:51:27,329
think it's gonna be interesting in the

1835
01:51:33,890 --> 01:51:30,360
future for myself Steve and onion

1836
01:51:36,620 --> 01:51:33,900
because we don't know what the whole

1837
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:36,630
story is you know we only have our own

1838
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:39,530
personal recollections

1839
01:51:43,060 --> 01:51:41,330
it's going to be interesting that

1840
01:51:46,570 --> 01:51:43,070
there's a third party coming into this

1841
01:51:47,950 --> 01:51:46,580
so sew it all together and what what are

1842
01:51:50,710 --> 01:51:47,960
we going to see at the end of this

1843
01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:50,720
investigation and in this documentary

1844
01:51:56,170 --> 01:51:53,270
you know because all I know is what I

1845
01:51:59,290 --> 01:51:56,180
remember and all Steve knows what he

1846
01:52:09,460 --> 01:51:59,300
remembers and dunya is the same so you

1847
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:09,470
know we've never but you have it's gonna

1848
01:52:17,380 --> 01:52:14,090
be when all of our accounts put together

1849
01:52:22,210 --> 01:52:17,390
it's gonna be fuller if you know I mean

1850
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:22,220
I don't know it's not really gonna make

1851
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:23,810
any difference at the end of the day

1852
01:52:33,729 --> 01:52:29,330
because there's still no yeah I mean an

1853
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:33,739
emotional level summer sea level it

1854
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:37,489
still happened and that having trouble

1855
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:42,050
believing it still 23 years later it's

1856
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:46,060
it's wild

1857
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:48,560
but I'm looking forward to see how it

1858
01:52:54,370 --> 01:52:52,010
develops and how and whether it allowing

1859
01:52:58,600 --> 01:52:54,380
us to rest for all of us because we all

1860
01:53:01,630 --> 01:52:58,610
have them from it I applaud you starship

1861
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:01,640
for doing that it takes courage takes

1862
01:53:10,180 --> 01:53:07,730
guts to get out there and tell your

1863
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:10,190
story and and the other people involved

1864
01:53:17,890 --> 01:53:13,970
also to come out and this is what we

1865
01:53:21,010 --> 01:53:17,900
need we need people to exercise a bit of

1866
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:21,020
courage and and come out and tell these

1867
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:27,890
toys because I think now after all of

1868
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:29,210
the crap that I've actually been through

1869
01:53:33,820 --> 01:53:31,550
well are being in ufology I think I've

1870
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:33,830
got to a level now where it's not going

1871
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:37,850
to be and dangerous for Steve and Danny

1872
01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:40,610
to come forward because I'm already

1873
01:53:48,450 --> 01:53:43,120
known there's they're not going to get

1874
01:53:50,460 --> 01:53:48,460
beaten up verbally the way that I have

1875
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:50,470
you know the clashes that I've had with

1876
01:53:54,990 --> 01:53:53,410
people whatever my stories already known

1877
01:53:59,330 --> 01:53:55,000
so these are just bringing another

1878
01:54:03,780 --> 01:53:59,340
element to it and you know as far as

1879
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:03,790
incidents go it's a really wild one and

1880
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:06,730
now you know anybody who may not have

1881
01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:10,210
believed me might actually now accept

1882
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:13,150
that something that crazy did happen and

1883
01:54:17,790 --> 01:54:16,480
does happen and now that there's people

1884
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:17,800
who come forward in the said they've

1885
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:19,330
seen this really huge thing and everyone

1886
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:20,800
does the air whatever we believe the

1887
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:23,350
phenomena but we don't believe you you

1888
01:54:27,930 --> 01:54:26,560
know I think there's a Penn Turk

1889
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:27,940
incident I don't know if you've seen

1890
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:29,920
anything about that was a great big

1891
01:54:38,430 --> 01:54:33,040
black pyramid type craft in Wales in

1892
01:54:39,810 --> 01:54:38,440
2016 but you know yeah yeah I'll send

1893
01:54:42,300 --> 01:54:39,820
you some information about it it's

1894
01:54:44,010 --> 01:54:42,310
absolutely wild I believer people say oh

1895
01:54:46,980 --> 01:54:44,020
she's too confident she's like no she's

1896
01:54:49,050 --> 01:54:46,990
not she's got this indignant this is

1897
01:54:51,690 --> 01:54:49,060
anger but behind there this you know

1898
01:54:53,730 --> 01:54:51,700
this is happening wake up everybody but

1899
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:53,740
because she's like that people say oh no

1900
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:55,210
she's not believable because she should

1901
01:54:59,730 --> 01:54:57,490
be this way you should be that way you

1902
01:55:02,640 --> 01:54:59,740
know but I'm going to see her in a

1903
01:55:04,980 --> 01:55:02,650
fortnight I'm gonna go when to where it

1904
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:04,990
actually happened and just have a little

1905
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:12,970
poke about now I will mention to you

1906
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:13,450
real quick

1907
01:55:28,770 --> 01:55:24,400
you mentioned the pyramid actually I

1908
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:28,780
think two people saw the same thing and

1909
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:31,840
it was a pyramid over the Pentagon in

1910
01:56:01,470 --> 01:55:56,880
nor than one witness and national video

1911
01:56:02,490 --> 01:56:01,480
take this three dimensional pyramid

1912
01:56:10,830 --> 01:56:02,500
looking

1913
01:56:12,750 --> 01:56:10,840
object going on in Washington yeah the

1914
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:12,760
problem is is that we have so much CGI

1915
01:56:16,230 --> 01:56:14,470
and he all looks so good I mean I've

1916
01:56:19,020 --> 01:56:16,240
seen a few pyramid videos and then

1917
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:19,030
turned out to be fake but you know I

1918
01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:21,610
think that it's not that I'm saying I

1919
01:56:32,970 --> 01:56:22,780
don't think they're out there because I

1920
01:56:37,110 --> 01:56:34,920
yeah I've got some good people around me

1921
01:56:38,820 --> 01:56:37,120
that do some really good analysis so I'm

1922
01:56:41,100 --> 01:56:38,830
looking in that way that I can just keep

1923
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:41,110
muttering them I will never see a video

1924
01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:44,130
go what's this usually I've already

1925
01:56:48,660 --> 01:56:47,110
explained it away but you know and

1926
01:56:50,610 --> 01:56:48,670
that's another thing as well you

1927
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:50,620
shouldn't get so hung up on a video that

1928
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:52,800
you really really believe it and then

1929
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:55,210
react in a very bad way when you find

1930
01:56:58,920 --> 01:56:57,010
out that it's not real

1931
01:57:01,050 --> 01:56:58,930
you know there's a lot of that goes on

1932
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:01,060
that there is a phenomena we just have

1933
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:30,680
I wish you every success in your next

1934
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:32,750
[Music]

1935
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:43,030
the UFO show successful but even if I'm

1936
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:46,690
not successful I'll be blabbing about it

1937
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:50,530
for another year in my campaign so yeah

1938
01:57:59,690 --> 01:57:54,400
thank you for thank you for inviting me

1939
01:58:03,050 --> 01:57:59,700
on the show I have very high regard and

1940
01:58:11,490 --> 01:58:03,060
we wish you the best

1941
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:11,500
likewise it's mutual respect you know

1942
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:14,930
and thank you for your disclosure

1943
01:58:22,150 --> 01:58:19,610
you bet happy to do it it's my job haha

1944
01:58:27,340 --> 01:58:22,160
this is my mission and I chose to accept

1945
01:58:32,190 --> 01:58:27,350
it okay everyone we'll see you next week